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Posted 12/16/2015   5:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add disi123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You can tell by the perfs ~ the stamps are clearly facsimiles...
and likely printed as such on the reverse of each...
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Posted 12/17/2015   09:09 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sdtom to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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As a collector of forgeries, I would pay $6.00 to $8.00 for a set like this. I see lots of sellers on ebay offering modern forgeries like this for a lot more. They are very easy for me to pass up.


As a collector are there forgeries worth more than the original material?
Tom
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Posted 12/17/2015   11:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bookbndrbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
These forgeries are not worth much, in my opinion. The ENGRAVED forgery of the $2.60 stamp (C15) is pretty expensive, I believe. Someone more knowledgeable than me could give you an idea of its value and how that compares with the original.
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Posted 12/17/2015   11:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Last year a trial color die proof of the engraved forgery brought $1000. A blue one brought $800.
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Posted 12/17/2015   3:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cjpalermo1964 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Let's be accurate, though. These are facsimiles, not forgeries. Linn's attempts to distinguish the terms as follows:

Facsimile: A reproduction of a genuine stamp or cover. Such items are usually made with no intent to deceive collectors or postal officials. Catalog illustrations may also be considered facsimiles.

Forgery: A completely fraudulent reproduction of a postage stamp. There are two general types of forgeries: those intended to defraud the postal authorities (see also Counterfeit), and those intended to defraud the collectors (see also Bogus).

These definitions are problematic because one can never know the intent of the individual who created the items. Better definitions would focus on objective factors such as how closely the subject items physically resemble genuine copies. Thus my view is that a "forgery" must be crafted with sufficient skill and resemblance to the original that it can be passed off as the original to the postal authority or a buyer. A facsimile, on the other hand, when compared objectively to the original, doesn't fool anyone.

With these corollaries, the OP's items are only facsimiles, and could not possibly command the above-quoted prices for forgeries. Prices of forgeries also tend to be driven by the profile or biography of the forger (e.g., Sperati) in terms of skill, quantity of output, period of activity, etc.
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Posted 12/17/2015   5:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ikeyPikey to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Dunno, cj, as they already fooled both the seller and the buyer.
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Posted 12/17/2015   5:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sdtom to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It sure made us question it. Was there any paperwork with it that said this is a facsimile?
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Posted 12/17/2015   5:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I doubt the seller was fooled at all. He knew exactly what he had - and how to pawn it off.
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Posted 12/17/2015   9:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jmdregs to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There was no paperwork of any kind. The ebay ad gave no indication that it was a facsimile or a forgery. Caveat emptor.
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Posted 12/18/2015   07:08 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add area66 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Those stamps on the cover look like the laser printed one the guy from Latvia sell on ebay, if so they have 0 value, it's computer printed, anyone can do it.
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Posted 12/18/2015   12:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sdtom to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have one word to say and that is crook.
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