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Posted 07/03/2017   11:05 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Eric might have bid based on the description and not looked at it as carefully as he should have. He's a busy man with a limited time to spend looking on ebay.
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Posted 07/03/2017   12:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add James Drummond to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I asked Eric to take a look at this topic.

This is his response.

Jim


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Hi Jim,

The strip of four is what is commonly referred to as the sewing machine perforation. Perhaps by chance the perfs do gauge 8 and others gauge something different. But assuming they were actually done on a sewing machine, or something similar, the gauge would depend upon how fast the sheet was pushed through the machine.

I would never sell that item to a collector as R112c as that is not what it is.

The real problem is the confusion on the certificate. The catalog number R112b and the description "Unused, OG, horizontal strip of four, perforated 8" was supplied by the submitter and is conflicting. The PF opinion does not refer to what is genuine, the catalog number or the description, so the conflict continues. The PF should have done a better job with their opinion. It is my opinion that it is R112b and if resubmitted and properly attended to, the new certificate will state as such.

Eric
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Posted 07/03/2017   1:05 pm  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That aligns with my original assessment, admittedly based upon subpar seller images (tiny images just meeting the bare minimum ebay requirement, but insufficient for any real analysis).

You don't get sewing-machine type perfs (go away Jim ) on the Scott-listed perf. 8. This may be a sewing machine perf that HAPPENS to gauge 8 in one direction, but in my opinion that does not make it an R112c.

Frankly, I think the PF cert got it right as far as the Scott catalog number listed; it's the language they used in the description that causes confusion.

EDIT: If/when the item is resubmitted, we'll see what the PF actually changes on the cert. Until then, it's speculation as to what the intended verdict was.
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Edited by revenuecollector - 07/03/2017 1:07 pm
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Posted 07/06/2017   6:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add RevHound to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just got it in today, Here's a scan of the front and back (1200x).

My gauge seems closer to 7 than to 8 for the top border. Maybe even 6.5, although my gauge doesn't go that low. The perforations are mostly 1/8th of an inch apart along the top border and in the middle between the stamps, although it isn't completely consistent throughout, especially between the first and second stamp.



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Posted 07/06/2017   6:53 pm  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Definitely sewing machine perfs.
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Posted 07/06/2017   7:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add James Drummond to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Or, more accurately, pin perfs.

Jim
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Posted 07/06/2017   7:11 pm  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
*sigh*
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Posted 07/06/2017   8:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add James Drummond to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here's my next potentially controversial statement:

Stamps that had naturally occurring straight edges on one or more sides and then were perforated should not be called "reperforated."

The sides were never perforated to begin with, so how can they be "re"?

Jim

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Posted 07/06/2017   10:12 pm  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just curious, was the bottom of the cert cut off? One of the certs from my purchases was like that, which is a little annoying. I want a whole cert! I figure I paid for it.
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Posted 07/06/2017   10:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add RevHound to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
No. The Whole thing was there.
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Posted 07/06/2017   10:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add RevHound to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think the reason some people cut off the bottom of the certificate in their pics is for privacy reasons. The bottom the the certificate usually lists who submitted it. Well at least on the PF ones.
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Posted 07/06/2017   10:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add southpaw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I find it interesting in light of James' pin perf article. There's speculation that several different pattern wheels produced these and it's pretty apparent this is a very coarse one
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