Stamp Community Family of Web Sites
Thousands of stamps, consistently graded, competitively priced and hundreds of in-depth blog posts to read








Stamp Community Forum
 
Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?

This page may contain links that result in small commissions to keep this free site up and running.

Welcome Guest! Registering and/or logging in will remove the anchor (bottom) ads. It's Free!

How Was Mail Delivered In 19th Century?

Next Page    
 
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Author Previous TopicReplies: 16 / Views: 6,099Next Topic
Page: of 2
Valued Member
United States
192 Posts
Posted 05/01/2017   7:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add howell1018 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Just from casual observance it seems that it wasn't necessary to put the street number of the addressee (or even the street) on envelopes in much of the 18th century. How did the mailman know where to deliver it? If you lived in Podunk, Iowa I understand that everyone knew everyone, but what if you lived in a big city? When did putting the number and street address become standard? Could I still send mail to Podunk today without a street address and not get it returned?
Send note to Staff

Pillar Of The Community
United States
911 Posts
Posted 05/01/2017   8:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add SPQR to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
In the US, for much of the 19th century there was no home delivery and customers had to go to the post office to mail letters or receive letters. Thus, there was no need for a street address. Some, mostly larger, post offices had carriers that picked-up or delivered letters for an additional charge. In addition, there were local posts that would take letters to the post office or deliver letters to an address in the same city, again for a fee. Free home delivery started in 1863 but only in cities. Rural free delivery didn't start until years later.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Edited by SPQR - 05/01/2017 9:27 pm
Pillar Of The Community
Australia
1042 Posts
Posted 05/01/2017   9:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add duncanvr to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Many letters in England in the 19thc had the address on them like this one from 1841. see my ebay shop for examples

Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
United States
192 Posts
Posted 05/01/2017   9:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add howell1018 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Alright, so it's 1860 and the population of NYC is about 800,000. Is all of the mail for NYc going to one post office where it waits to be picked up? What if your name is John Smith? If you decide you want your mail delivered, how was that arranged? Can't call on the phone.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
Australia
1042 Posts
Posted 05/01/2017   9:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add duncanvr to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
No its going to street names and street addresses, some go to post offices for collection just like today. They did have post boxes to incase your name was John Smith.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
United States
2055 Posts
Posted 05/01/2017   10:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add TheArtfulHinger to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The average guy in 1860 also didn't get much mail. People generally paid in cash on the spot for any goods or services, there were no utility bills to come in the mail, and advertising by mail hadn't really started yet. Maybe you got a few letters a year from relatives but that was probably about it. It would be a little while longer yet before mail was a daily occurrence for most people. Businesses and wealthy/middle class people would have used the mails more often during that era and they probably would have visited post offices to send and receive mail fairly frequently. The average working Joe of that era - about 90% of the country - didn't use the mails nearly as often as people do today.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
Australia
1042 Posts
Posted 05/01/2017   11:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add duncanvr to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
But on the other hand there were merchant companies like Fred Huth & Co who received thousands of letters from all over the world. They traded in everything. Ships carried their letters from various ports to London.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
United States
911 Posts
Posted 05/02/2017   08:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add SPQR to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Alright, so it's 1860 and the population of NYC is about 800,000. Is all of the mail for NYc going to one post office where it waits to be picked up?


Of those 800,000 people, a significant number were illiterate and did not send or receive mail. As noted above, a very large percentage of the mail was business correspondence. For individuals sending and receiving mail, they may have had a post office box, may have used the services of the post office carrier department or a local post. You also sometimes see letters addressed to a name with an occupation so that the letter goes to "John Smith, Attorney" rather than "John Smith, Merchant" or "John Smith, Ship Captain" etc. Similarly, businesses typically had post office boxes or would use the carriers or local posts.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
Australia
1042 Posts
Posted 05/02/2017   09:08 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add duncanvr to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
As you went further back only a selected number of people could write if they were not merchants or business men. Here is an example from CARTAGENA? Columbia or Spain? Its sent on the 1st Nov 1784 and hit England 25th Nov, two styles of bishopmarks a London one and a Foreign one probably French. Look at the address no house or street name at all just that he lived at Dartmouth by Devon. This is a family letter. Look how good the postal service was back then. Every destination had set routes and appropriate postmarks and charges applied. The postmen changed at each point along the way. In many cases mail went on a boat or ship and then carried on a horse if distance was far. What I am getting at is the post worked much like today and they knew where the letters had to go to. See these scans if anyone can clarify the red postmark let me know. I thinks its Colombian as it too 24 days. Look how nicely this guy could write to.






Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
Switzerland
251 Posts
Posted 05/02/2017   5:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add codexluminati to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Beautifull very old cover.
I collect Colombia, and I can tell is not Cartagena Colombia (used to be called Cartagena de indias).
The cancel says Cartag. Reyno de(E inside the D) Murcia (Murcia is the region in spain where Cartagena is located)
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
Australia
1042 Posts
Posted 05/02/2017   6:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add duncanvr to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks very much codexluminati for identifying the postmark and confirming its Spain. Now why did it take 24 days to reach France and England? Was it the winter slowing it down? Is there a clearer example of that Cartag. Reyno postmark anywhere?
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
Australia
1042 Posts
Posted 05/03/2017   8:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add duncanvr to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Speaking of John Smith I just came across this one, what do you notice about the cover?



Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
United Kingdom
8579 Posts
Posted 05/04/2017   04:08 am  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Addressed to Byron's home - although he was long dead. Or is the test philatelic?
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
Australia
1042 Posts
Posted 05/04/2017   04:43 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add duncanvr to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Test is postal history look at the dates in the postmarks, you have two of each postmark one day apart. The mail was too late because?
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
United States
28 Posts
Posted 05/06/2017   10:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add molanderusa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
In the US, for some mail the cover was advertised in the local newspaper if there was no address of building/facility name. Once the cover was advertised, the receiver would go to the post office and pickup his/her mail. If no one picked it up, it went to the dead letter office and often stamped "unclaimed" or it was "return to sender".

Attached is an example of an "Advertised" cover from Batvia NY to Chicago from 1864.

Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
United States
3157 Posts
Posted 05/06/2017   10:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add littleriverphil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
The mail was too late because?

Mail (Ship?) conveyance per the route had already left.

Nice markings on the Batvia cover, great auxiliary handstamp!
An Oval ADVERTIZED and a straight line JAN 4 were applied at the Taunton, Mass po when Mr. Antonio Francisco Lazaro didn't pick up his letter from Mendocino, Cal. in Dec of 1871. They held it for a month when it was again postmarked on the reverse. Taunton postmarked it twice, two ads?






Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Edited by littleriverphil - 05/06/2017 11:33 pm
Page: of 2 Previous TopicReplies: 16 / Views: 6,099Next Topic  
Next Page
 
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.

Go to Top of Page

Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Stamp Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2026 Stamp Community Family - All rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Stamp Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Privacy Policy / Terms of Use    Advertise Here
Stamp Community Forum © 2007 - 2026 Stamp Community Forums
It took 0.23 seconds to lick this stamp. Powered By: Snitz Forums 2000 Version 3.4.05