Italy Stamp Imperf 1862-63 Is This Type I Or Type II, Please Help Me Identify?

OK, I found the thread showing a genuine Type II, comparing it to one of the known forgeries (there's more than one, not all of which are postal forgeries).

https://goscf.com/t/40233

There is no argument between area66 and I. We are merely explaining what we see, for further discussion.

khj..i am not missing the point..you think my stamps are ALL forgeries..which is quite rediculous..i have a collection of rare stamps which would make your head spin..

Please don't put words in my mouth. I think you have me confused with another poster in another thread. I didn't think your green Australia KGV stamp was a forgery, among the several other stamps that I assisted you with that I didn't think were a forgeries.

This will be the last time I answer any more of your questions. I thought I could carry on an interesting discussion with area66 on your stamp, but I find that impossible with your attitude and unfounded accusations.

please allow others who think the stamps are genuine answer all the questions? your forgery conversation here is absolutely rediculous.. and unnecessary..

edw_kim
khj is one of our best community members, a person who contributes and helps other folks. If this community is not helping you with your 'rare' stamps, then I suggest that you try one of the other forums and see if they can help you.
Don

Khj I agree with you it'seems a 1. It's just from my phone I can't see what is black ink and not on the closure of the c. For under the q on my phone I look again and it'seems like a white dirt or something over the line. So the line may be complete

i see you stick up for others in this forum all the time Don,but you got a few guys here that require serious help..i might just take my words to a different forum..as there are just"too many"foolish people in this particular stamp community..they seems to lie just "too much"..i wont be missing anybody here..edw-kim..note-i will not be replying to any further posts regarding this particular subject matter.regards,edw_kim..

so long..

khj have a look at this one, it's certified type I ...... I'M not at home but don,t fit the Scott description of thype I , unless I miss something




http://www.ebay.com/itm/Italy-Sc-23...AOSwl8NVY5Yb

eventhough you threw a hissy, I think you'll still look.

first, I THINK you have a type II stamp, even if you had a type I stamp, what's all this fuss? it's a common stamp?

the thin line under Q looks to me to be broken, which is the tell tale I use.

secondly, the stamp is CLEARLY on a piece of paper, which in case of a type I could indicate foul play because a gumless type I is worth less than a cancelled.




you don't in any way come across as an expert on cancels, or even stamps for that matter, based on past quite unfortunate threads you've participated in.

forged cancels can be made by printers.

i do NOT think this is forged, I think it's a homemade envelope made from writing paper, and cut out never soaked - type II. worth what? $1?

but you're in no position to exclude forgeries, you're entitled to think/mean/feel but you should word as such.

also you're always on the baricades, seeing ghosts everywhere and attacking people for giving their views on your numerous posts.

how about a little gratitude? and if you don't agree, simply say I appreciate your thoughts and will look for more views.
but keep in mind, some people on this forum actually have extensive knowledge and THAT my friend is what will spin heads, NOT your so called rarities.

because a rare collection can come to you 3 ways. inherited, selffound and bought. or a mix of those
you've clearly demonstrated that you lack the know how to correctly locate these rarities, you simply don't know enough.
the 2 other options are, in terms of exhibitions, not a head spinner. because it's not your work, and its just a matter of money.

a rariy is nothing without a story.

should you decide to leave then good luck, where ever you go. The result will be the same until your change your views and ways.

look at what I just purchase for $ 20 on ebay, 3 stamps , seem to me like a type I and a II , it's less than 40% of cat. price . And I don't dig, i'm sure you can find better at 25% of cat. price...so the rarity ,

I have one for sure at home in my Scott Int, (Italy is complete, byside some BOB) , but as usally 2, 3 or more is better than 1





and here the 3 together

Hello,

here on of those from my side. Which type would it be and forgery or not forgery? Also, what would the cancel say? and what about the blue spots in the upper left corner?

I only show the stamp on the right because it was just on the same scan. what scott nr. would the other be?

Some relevant reference on this matter (fm Sassone)



@ Stamperix - yours are Type II. The right stamp is From Neopolitan Provinces, 1861 - Sc #22. Can be authentic, but look a little crisp to have been carried in a mailbag and soaked, but I am not an expert on these at all.
The Neopolitan stamp seems to have a normal 'Anullato' cancellation, often seen on Postage due stamps.

I do not think the stamp in the OP is a postal forgery - they are very scarce and have these characteristics as below, again from Sassone.





(I hope Sassone will not get mad about sharing this info, it should raise the interest for their catalogs anyway I suppose )

thank you very much Blaamand that was great help.