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Posted 07/24/2017   09:04 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Moose to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Just a caveat that one person's experience may not necessarily mirror others'. For example, there is at least one name listed in the posts above that is on my "avoid like the plague" list.


I have to agree with Revenuecollector on this; soooo could I make a suggestion although, to be honest, I'm not sure how easy - or difficult this will be to implement. Is it possible to create a database on which we can list dealers/sellers we have dealt with and comment on the transaction in general? We don't have to list every transaction but a general feedback which we can update or add to over time. This may give a truer picture of the integrity of individual sellers and act as a type of database to fall back on if we have any doubts about a certain seller/dealer.
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Posted 07/24/2017   09:44 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Richard Frajola to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Don - Take a look at the feedback on one of your "bad boy" the ebay sellers please. If he has say 5,000 positives, that means there he has had 5,000 transaction that the buyer was satisfied with. You can't protect people from themselves. Some maybe knew they were buying a fake #315 so they could fill a hole in the album and show off the catalog value to their heir. Maybe a case of ignorance is bliss.

Nobody can police a site like ebay, or any free marketplace for that matter.

Anybody can ask a specialist auction house who they might recommend for purchase of stamps that are below the auction house normal minimum lot value. I am sure any of the big house would be happy to give you the names of the best dealers in your collecting area.

In a flea market environment, the more knowledgeable flea will win every time. So, if you lack the expertise, don't buy at a flea market.
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Edited by Richard Frajola - 07/24/2017 09:45 am
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Posted 07/24/2017   10:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Richard,
Understood and agreed, you can't protect stupid buyers from themselves and I also agree that no one can 'police' online selling venues. But what we can do is communicate information that assists intelligent hobbyists with making better buying decisions.

eBays' moronic 'rating system' is virtually worthless for many reasons. Common sense dictates that no one can have thousands and thousands of transactions with 100% positive feedback. And ebay has done a very good job with convincing buyers that there is little or no risk when buying. This perception is critical to ebay's bottom line so most everything they do goes towards this profitable distortion.

But we all know that this is simply not true, there are good sellers with bad ratings and bad sellers with great ratings. We also know that ebay does no vetting of the accounts, allows people to own as many as 50-75 accounts, and looks the other way with the thriving 3rd party industry which allows people to buy and sell existing ebay and PayPal accounts. The fraudsters also count on everyone taking a 'buyer beware' position; it allows them to thrive and operate for years uninhibited. The philatelic press and many of the hobby organizations also appear to have buried their head in the sand on this topic. 'Gee, let's pretend that online fraud is not really damaging the hobby' appears to be the thinking.

The best weapon a hobbyist can arm themselves with is education, not relying a badly flawed rating system or ebay other propaganda. Hobbyists should invest not just in knowledge about the stamps they buy but also about who they are buying from.
Don
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Posted 07/24/2017   11:09 am  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
eBay's feedback system is a legacy from back in the day when feedback was a 2-way street and actually meant something. ebay has adopted the position that there is no such thing as a bad buyer, only bad sellers.

Buyer feedback needs to be eliminated entirely, since no buyer has anything other than 100% positive. You don't see buyer feedback on Amazon, and there's a reason for that.

Also, the ability for high-profile/high-volume sellers to (1) run private listings where feedback is hidden, more importantly (2) get negative/neutral feedback scrubbed, and (3) as you mention, buy "clean" seller accounts, makes the entire thing meaningless.
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Posted 07/24/2017   1:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ddreisba to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I've gotten some good deals from NYstamps, as well as CK. I've ordered by mail from McMillan & Wife in Calif, and I have been quite happy getting approvals from Nicklas Holt in Tenn. His office staff keeps correcting my dumb mistakes in figuring out what I owe him and sending me a credit with the next order.

Don
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Posted 07/24/2017   9:34 pm  Show Profile Check eyeonwall's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add eyeonwall to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Buying on ebay makes you ignorant.... allrightythen. I'll ignore that distasteful swipe at collectors for the moment.

With the increasing demise of brick & mortar and show dealers, what are collectors supposed to do? You either buy online or you don't buy.

Furthermore, most people who are used to buying online also know where to find philatelic resources online. So not having access to traditional dealers doesn't prevent one from becoming knowledgeable.


You are taking it the wrong way. I am talking about those who buy only from ebay and go no further. It is obvious that anyone who visits this site is going beyond ebay, so there is no reason for you to be offended.
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Posted 07/24/2017   11:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add shermae to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
https://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_so...ssn=Robham35
for French colonies.

I can think of several to devoutly ignore including one on the original list.
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Posted 07/25/2017   10:17 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Yirmeyahu to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Paul Wilson
Stamporama

Greg Tanico
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Stamporama


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Posted 07/28/2017   08:41 am  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just stumbled onto this thread. Dudley, thank you! Based on some of the recommendations above, I would like to offer a couple comments. It matters not, that you have been recommended, but by whom you are being recommended. And since a couple collectors are actually telegraphing how little they know, my best recommendation is to pay attention, question everything and everybody, and study hard. If you succeed (based on my definition of success) you will view the philatelic universe far differently than before.
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Posted 07/31/2017   6:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tlmcca to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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Posted 08/03/2017   10:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampmaster to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi

How about Anthonys and Aldrich, I've found very interesting stamps there, but as always you must be careful.
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Posted 08/04/2017   9:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGV Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Only so few from Stamporama?
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