1c 1851 Plate 1-Late Stamps

8R

jaxom100 - I've been struggling lately to plate some Plate 1L stamps that I didn't think would be that difficult because I could see the extent of their recuts pretty clearly. It seems, though, that on a number of occasions, the detailing of the recuts in the Neinken drawings doesn't correspond precisely with either the actual examples you have on StampSmarter or with Deporto's examples. Sometimes the discrepancy is significant enough that I'm left in doubt if I have found a match or not.

I think Deporto sometimes mentions these discrepancies, but I wish they were all documented somewhere in one place. Have you ever made a list like I'm referring to, and if yes, is it something you could publish on this forum or put up on StampSmarter?

I also have found one position in your recut images where I am either missing something or the image must be labeled incorrectly. Look at 41L1L. The position is recut 1x on top and 2x on bottom, but I see no indication of the 2nd recut on the bottom in your example.

For those who might be interested, Rick Nance has sent me a new image of the recuts on 41L1L. It shows the double recut on the bottom very clearly. Thanks, Rick.

The recut image has been updated and new charts have just replaced the old ones on Stamp Smarter website.
Look here under "recut sheets" to see the new charts.
https://stampsmarter.org/features/S...Plating.html

Nice !

Just registered and this is my first post. I wanted to join the 1c Franklin Fun.

I think this is a Scott #9 - 3L1L. I based this mostly on comparing to the images hosted at stampsmarter.org. Primarily on the location and shape of the two guide dots in the UR. I also compared to jaxom100's picture of another 3L1L posted back in 2020.

You are correct. It is 3L1L.

I don't know if the "ID image" was one of the images that you used to identify or confirm the position 3L1L, but you will see that various specks of color in the letters "U.S. Postage" for example match your stamp. Kudos to all who have developed and contributed to the 1c database and others on StampSmarter, they are really helpful.

Well done, and welcome!

Thanks for the praise Zebraman! All of the database and charts on the 1c were done by me. I also recently added images to plate 10 and plate 5 with some ID images there. I did all the work on the 2 1847 issues, most of the 3c database and all the 3c charts, and all of the 12c issues. I am currently working on the 12c plate 3 (Scott 36B)(check separate thread).

I am really glad that people are using my charts and databases. Makes my day.

I have another #9 Scott I am trying to plate. This one is used, and been having difficulty trying to identify the plate because the stamp was cut high on the bottom. Any help would be appreciated. Cheers.

That one will be tough to plate. I would start by saying it is a relief A (top right ornament is short). That narrows it to 40 positions. There are 6 relief A positions in the left pane that are double recut on top (52L, 53L, 60L, 71L 77L, 79L) that can be eliminated. That leaves 34 positions. go to the Stamp Smarter website under the 1c plating. Go to the "Recut Sheets". Copy the 2 recut sheets for the A and T relief. Ignore top row T relief. Now, try to match the top recut with those on the chart. Write down any number that could be a match. The check those possible positions with my ID images in the database.

Looking for some assistance identifying and plating this Stamp. I purchased as a Scott 8A, but suspect I may have misidentified a Scott 7. Any help would be appreciated. It has a nice image and color. I know it is not sitting in any of the first positions in the plate, but still having difficulty locating.

Widget1 - Nice stamp. I think you have a Plate 4, Relief "E" example, and the best match I see is 89L4. The blur in the lower left and the breaks in the top line match the archive example and the Neinken map.

Your stamp is correctly described as a Ty IIIA (8A).

Refer to here:
https://goscf.com/t/59061&whichpage=19#740454

for a discussion of a perforated plate 4 E relief stamp that got certified as Ty II.

Some of the E reliefs have a fairly complete top. Yours is definitely broken, thus IIIA.

Thanks Widglo46 and Txstamp! The help is very much appreciated.