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A Line Through Three Cents. Not The "Line Through Three Cents"

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Posted 02/03/2018   6:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add stampcrow to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
In the recent thread about fraud and ebay, I mentioned liking ebay because I can add single position pieces to my 1851-57 collection, without having to buy large expensive lots.

Here is a perfect example of both, misidentified item and a nice buy for a stampcrow.

An item identified incorrectly by the seller listed as, "11A on cover line through three cents (92L1L?)"

92L1L is easily recognized, and this isn't one. However upon closer inspection, it looks like some indication of a double transfer in the three cents.

My winning bid was $3.34.
Received the cover today. Very pleased to see it is indeed an 11A with "double transfer in THREE CENTS". Easily plated as 3R1L. A stamp I didn't have!

Another happy ebay transaction featuring a misidentified piece.

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Posted 02/03/2018   7:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry I missed this. It would have cost you more. :-)
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Posted 02/03/2018   8:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have a few of this, but very hard to know what is #10,11,25? where you can find really explications?
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Posted 02/03/2018   8:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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Posted 02/04/2018   08:41 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add AJ Valente to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice post on articles about the 3-center.

Unfortunately, there is no mention of significant paper varieties--marking this article for early obsolesence.

At a minimum, articles should mention the change from thin to medium-thick papers in 1851 (and no such thing as part-india--this according to studies published by Roy White some 40 years ago).

Also in 1851, the change from plate-finishing to press-finishing (the Experimental OB's were a paper trial, nothing to do with the ink).

The brief trial of plate-finished papers in 1856 (as Dr. Chase remarked, the images cleared-up for a time).

Also, the trial of Crane paper in 1852 (I think I have the only example known at this time).

All these things well documented in the Travers papers, Crane Correspondence, and Smithsonian records.

BTW, if you see a band of stitches in cloth, turn it over and you'll find a double band on the other side.
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Posted 02/04/2018   12:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
AJ Valente,
A collector at my level uses the current easy digestible information that has come from previous study, which is now more commonly available, to build a collection.
As a collector at this level I don't have to be a skilled historian or researcher. Even if I desired to be, I lack the skill and time. Luckily I can use information shared by previous students and experts of this issue and put together a nice collection.

When your research becomes more readily/easily available to the common bone headed collector like myself, then I would begin to incorporate it into my collecting.

The StampSmarter site is a living breathing growing entity. I believe Don/51studabaker would welcome your input.



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Posted 02/04/2018   6:11 pm  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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(the Experimental OB's were a paper trial, nothing to do with the ink).


What then is your explanation for the different chemical composition of the ink used in Plate 1L printings compared to the OB inks of the same period? Why was this different ink only used on Plate 1L?


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The brief trial of plate-finished papers in 1856 (as Dr. Chase remarked, the images cleared-up for a time).


I don't know, I would say the impressions were pretty good starting with the yellowish rose reds and going all of the way through the clarets of 1857. And then you also have the possible or likely? cleaning of Plates 2L and 3 in early 1856.


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All these things well documented in the Travers papers, Crane Correspondence, and Smithsonian records.


Give us something other than your words and conclusions then.


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BTW, if you see a band of stitches in cloth, turn it over and you'll find a double band on the other side.


I am pretty sure I know what you are trying to say but why be so cryptic?

Go Patriots!!!





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Posted 02/04/2018   7:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rlmstamps2012 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


Go Patriot's!!
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Posted 02/05/2018   09:51 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add AJ Valente to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
StampCrow

This, I believe, will be a generational thing. Hard to reverse 125 years of habit in a short span of time. More people as yourself are needed to lend their support. A letter to the appropriate editor of a current philatelic publication might result in a detailed article on the subject by either myself or a trusted colleague.

I'll be at StampShow this summer giving a talk for the USPCS on Banknote Issues. Lots of historical information in addition to photographs of the paper mill. Try to make it if you can. It should be a very memorable occasion.
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Posted 02/05/2018   12:22 pm  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
AJ, Are you saying you need help getting an article into a publication?
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Posted 02/05/2018   12:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
AJ,
Online philatlic resources have a giant advantage over hard copy publishing because they can be continually updated without costly revisions. If you spot anything on Stamp Smarter that is out-of-date or can be improved I typically can make the changes in less than a few hours.
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Posted 02/06/2018   07:26 am  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Don, I assume that you would not want collectors who visit your site to be potentially led astray. Would you require new, unpublished information that may or may not be controversial, be backed up with any evidence or at least be peer reviewed?

Last edit to fix spelling error.
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Posted 02/06/2018   09:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Winston,
Stamp Smarter accepts articles, opinions, and other content, I review what is submitted but rely upon community vetting. If I deem a submission opinion or editorial then I will make sure it is marked as such.

In fact, Stamp Smarter is starting a new 'blog' feature where folks will be allowed to 'self-publish'. This free service will have it's own section and will be clearly marked as 'opinion'. Any philatelic topic will be allowed.
Don
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Posted 02/06/2018   12:26 pm  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting, Don. I am not very creative I guess. What would somebody want to publish, even if it was semi-unofficial, that would be subjected to the negative connotation of being strictly opinion? Back when you first started Stampsmarter, Bill Weiss tried several times to get me involved in reporting bad listings. I did not like having to say that my contention was a mere opinion, so I didn't participate. I realize how that may look to some people but there are some things that are incontrovertible and outside of the realm of "opinion". I am just asking how you think it would get used?
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