Ottoman Postmark Help Requested

I would say you paid the current market trend price which seems to be going UP for Ottoman material.A lot of bidding going on for things lately.Anyway;
buying on e bay already saved you money;compared to a classic auction house. IMO

Hi,

The value here is in the postmarks and their visual appeal to potential buyers.

The Salahora/Salaora example has a nice clear strike of the postmark but the card itself is heavily discoloured. It appears to be creased vertically as well.

If you were a collector of Ottoman postmarks from Greece or just from Epirus or indeed just the area around Prevesa, you would probably know how common these are and whether this is a good example. I don't have this knowledge.

However, your card seems to have a much better strike than the one that appears in perf12's post.

Nicolas & Galinos (1996) rate this postmark on cover at 200,000 drachmas. This sounds a lot of course but is still over 600 USD at the current exchange rate.

However, the ratings in catalogues like this should be taken just as points of information. The overall quality and visual impact will be a major factor in agreeing a price as of course will be the level of demand.

Can you show us the complete cover with the Karghi postmark please?

Avi - you should really introduce yourself properly - i.e. how long you've been collecting etc & what you collect. That would help...

The values I listed are 'catalog' values. Market value & catalog value are not the same!

Normally, folks like to buy stuff - depending on lots of variables - at 5-25% of catalog value. For example, a normal postcard of the (common) types you've shown - I would buy at between $1-$5 max. And that would be in decent condition.

Yours, for example, seems to have a major crease down the middle. That would significantly detract from its value, as far as I'm concerned.

But none of this discussion is talking about the negative cancellation. I don't have values. Nigel (whom you'll learn is an amazingly knowledgable collector!) doesn't have a value - he is indicating it is rare - a fact with which I agree. But the only catalog we know of - (and I don't even know if it has values?) - is a 10 volume set that costs app $1000. (Nobody who frequents this forum has one, to my knowledge...)

The best source of 'market value' is ebay - what people are paying for stuff. You can search for it & see what similar items have sold for recently.

Is your postcard on 'paperlike' thin cardboard' or thick like a normal postcard?

If not, its catalog value is between $20-$40. If it is, then it is a very scare & high value item!!

Please post a complete picture of the 2nd item as well!!

I agree with perf12 about current trends in prices for Ottoman material. Rod here has often made the same point.

I'm not an active buyer these days but when I used to buy Crete material about ten years ago I was often surprised at the high prices achieved by the Greek auction houses and my impression is that the demand has continued to be strong since then.

Thanks Michael!

Hi folks,

Firstly, let me say, it is a joy to be communicating with you all. To show you how fresh I am to this forum, I just realized there is a page two. I thought everyone just sort of went home. My learning curve is certainly growing.

Okay, a few (probably boring ) facts to introduce myself. I am from the States (Brooklyn and then NYC) and moved to Israel in 1991. Been working in Hadassah Hospital, trying to help people, since then. My main love is anything that has to do with Judaica, Jewish history and , of course, Israel. What I have been into lately is the Ottoman Palestine pre mandate period (love it, great postmarks and picture postcards) and the Israel post mandate interim period. This purchase was a sort of a whim (love the negative post marks), but that seems to be the way many of my collections have started. I already feel I am ahead of the game just by finding this forum. When you get collectors with heart together, politics goes out the window.

Okay, enough about me (hopefully everyone is still awake). I am truly appreciative of all the wonderful care you all have given me. I have not yet received the items yet. It will probably take a few weeks. You can not imagine hove slow the post is (actually, maybe you can). I will try to post them when they come.

I look forward to more enjoyable chats.

Don't be strangers.

By the way, here is the second item. Joy to be had?

Ottoman Stamp Kargi Negative cancel.

Photo of "Kargi" Seals.The one on the right from a Corinphila Auction Lot with many covers.

Perhaps you have this link already? (Middle East Bulletin) You can down load info.

https://www.zobbel.de/mepb/mepbulletin.htm

From Andreas Birken's excellent Handbuch der türkischen Philatelie, Teil I: Osmanisches Reich, Die Poststempel:

I was hoping some of our experts would chime in here?

It's a nice cover. Joy?! Of course! But joy is all in the eye of the (be) holder...

Postal stationery & postmarks is not one of my areas. Others are much more qualified to speak to value/rarity etc.

The stamp is common & damaged. Not much value based solely on the stamp.

The two postmarks are very nice & desirable. As we've said, negative seals are uncommon & collectable. You've got great strikes on both of these items....

Just really giving a bump to the thread - in hopes of more expert opinions!!

Middle East But also Germany pre world war 1, The Ottoman Empire leaned toward Turkey-Muslim, note the designs flowers branches and arabic and they ended up with a liaison with the 2d reich Germany one of many things that lead to ww1 I am still learning a lot about this, much to learn. But when you see reich on a stamp think German is in there somewhere.

https://www.britannica.com/place/German-Empire

I can't tell you much about your stamps but do notice reich and early dates

Would it be possible if I could get some help as well with these postcards?

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I ran into this post while searching for Greek material (that I'm still sorting). After the Greek material; Ottoman Empire is next! This post is a head start .. or a distraction ..

Many Thanks in advance!

The 1st card has a "Bursa" cancel. it's a town 100km south of Istamboul.
The 2d has a "Galata" cancel from Istamboul.Galata is one of the sectors in the Istamboul area.
the other negative handstamps I don't know.