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Please, can anyone help me to determine which is the colour of this envelope? I am only sure that it is not blue... or white... so, it can be manila, amber, amber-manila, cream or oriental buff. unfortunately, it is lightly folded... but, still happy to heave it entire and without any other faults. 
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| Edited by filipo - 12/19/2018 1:32 pm |
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I find that establishing paper color for these items and cut squares is one of the most difficult things in Philately. I have no clue what color your item is. Sometimes even white colored envelopes change color and look darker, but that is not the case here as you point out. |
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Fabulous image, Don, thanks. Comparing things on my 24" LCD monitor, the OP's entire is Oriental Buff. |
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 A USPS poster. Note: all the qualification regarding identifying colors using images and display monitors certainly applies. For anyone who is enjoying postal stationery, the typical recommendation of building a color reference library applies. Don |
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filipo, how do you judge your own image above in comparison with the real envelope? is the indicia really that bright brown, or shouldn't it be more blackish?
on my monitor the indicia is very bright and the envelope looks more like amber. |
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Thanks for all replies! I am pretty sure that this envelope didn't change the colour because it is in really mint condition (except being folded)... on the flap the gum seems to be very sound... so, this envelope has been carried very well for the last 130 years. I am partially color blinded (a "daltonist") so I really can't make any good judgement about the colours... however, indicia seems to be real brown, not going to blackish... Maybe also back side will be useful...  |
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| Edited by filipo - 12/19/2018 4:02 pm |
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Thank you, Don, for another great resource ...
... and forgive me for saying "I see manila".
Cheers,
/s/ ikeyPikey |
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Definitely lightly toned but the color inside indicates oriental buff. Usual disclaimer about monitor/scanner.
Manila is a paper type, not really a color. Manila paper occurs in very dark to very light and many stops in between. Amber manila is dyed manila paper which has a greenish tint to a yellowish paper.
Theoretically, paper color is consistent within a given 4-year printing contract period. |
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Thanks again for all opionions! Btw. about Stamperix's note... why on this cover the indica is brown - and not black as it was specified in the catalog? It looks that in the old Ascher catalog from 1925 is more precisely described all about this covers than in the recent Scott's. There is also some note about Watermarks. |
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Watermark #7 Under the good light this doesn't seem to be a manila type of paper... it doesn't have fibers and seems to be a quality type of paper... glazed... has "webs" like hand-made paper (this is not visible on the photo below, I just have made it with low-res camera to show the watermark).  |
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| Edited by filipo - 12/20/2018 11:37 am |
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Quote: Thanks again for all opionions! Btw. about Stamperix's note... why on this cover the indica is brown - and not black as it was specified in the catalog? It looks that in the old Ascher catalog from 1925 is more precisely described all about this covers than in the recent Scott's. There is also some note about Watermarks. I'm using a Scott 2009 Specialized Catalogue and it lists an 1887-94 printing using the U55 indica. Scott U338= U55red brown oriental buff |
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