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Stamp Grading - Of Value To You Or A Marketing Ploy?

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Posted 12/20/2018   4:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add craigk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Is it also true that they won't grade stamps with any number of natural straight edges ?


PSE will grade stamps with natural straight edges but they are considered faults and will deduct from the grade accordingly.
The deduction is substantial - 25 to 35%.
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Edited by craigk - 12/20/2018 4:57 pm
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Posted 12/20/2018   5:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rlsny to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have no problem with grading except for the 100J issue already mentioned. But I don't think a grade is required to identify a well-centered stamp or a valuable stamp. I think the recent Wingate auction illustrated that. It included many beautifully centered stamps without grades that still sold for huge premia.
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Posted 12/20/2018   6:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ikeyPikey to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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... I love to buy collections and cull out the best-of-the-best and send them in for a graded cert. I love to buy an ungraded Superb stamp that has potential to be 98-100, and send it in. I hang on to them, too. I don't flip them ... After I die, hopefully 50 years from now (at 107!!!), the graded certs will still mean something ...


So why not just park the certifying money in Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities (TIPS), and put binding instructions in your will for the executor to certify them at that time?

The certs will be fresh & relevant to that market at that time, and your heirs can go begging to a judge to get released from that requirement if it is no longer relevant to that market at that time.

Cheers,

/s/ ikeyPikey (who wonders who decays faster, the certs or their stamps?)

https://www.treasurydirect.gov/indi...s_glance.htm ... Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities (TIPS)
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Posted 12/20/2018   6:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add redwoodrandy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes all who are buying up certs and planning on holding ten years or more will need to recert again in the future. Or their heirs will. If it is at all still relevant.
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Posted 12/20/2018   7:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Does the value drop when the population of a certain higher echelon grade increases?
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Posted 12/20/2018   10:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add craigk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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So why not just park the certifying money in Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities (TIPS)


He says he "loves" to send a stamp in for a cert. Why are you trying to be his financial advisor?
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Posted 12/21/2018   01:15 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Philazilla to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I collect US stamps from provisionals to the liberty series. Certificates from PF or PSE are a requirement for any sound and attractive stamp that catalogs for over about $300. I want graded certs on any higher-value stamps that would earn an 80 or above. I agree that is is silly to grade a 3-cent commemorative. I also agree that it is a tragedy that imperf blocks are butchered for a high-grade single. But for most expensive stamps, grading is a very good thing!
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Posted 12/21/2018   06:09 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add angore to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
To me, it has no value since I do not collect stamps that need grading.

Despite the exploitation and the hyping that comes with grading, I believe it has some value.
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Posted 12/21/2018   08:31 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ikeyPikey to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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So why not just park the certifying money in Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities (TIPS)

He says he "loves" to send a stamp in for a cert. Why are you trying to be his financial advisor?


Because he also says:


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... hopefully 50 years from now (at 107!!!), the graded certs will still mean something ...


One of the best things we do in life (and on this forum) is to look out for each other.

Cheers,

/s/ ikeyPikey
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Posted 12/21/2018   09:53 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wtcrowe to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Grading can be useful to the less experienced collector. I have found over the years that not everyone has an eye for grading. The experienced collector knows what he is buying and what he wants to buy and has no need for a graded certificate. There are always sellers that have a Fine stamp that they describe as Extremely Fine. In my opinion the graded certificate has helped to rein in that problem, somewhat. A graded certificate can make the passage through "the school of hard knocks" a little less painful, but is no substitute for experience.
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Posted 12/21/2018   11:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add craigk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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One of the best things we do in life (and on this forum) is to look out for each other.


LOL Right.
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Posted 12/22/2018   09:53 am  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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LOL Right.


Wow... and I thought I was a Scrooge...
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Posted 12/22/2018   10:05 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Grading is one of the worst things to ever happen to the hobby. It has destroyed many scarce and rare multiples. It has only been a benefit to a relatively small number of people who are genuinely superior at recognizing grades. Nick Kirke, who was mentioned earlier in the thread as an early enthusiastic proponent of grading supposedly lost at least 3 million when he sold his graded US collection.
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Posted 12/22/2018   11:09 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Is Nick one of the "players"?
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Wow... and I thought I was a Scrooge...


I find it helpful to presume that harsh comments posted late on Friday nights have been alcohol-fueled.


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