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Missed It By That Much! Scott 5A

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Posted 11/03/2019   7:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Caper123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
This stamp, listed in ebay with no minimum bid just ended. I ID'd it but sadly so did several others. Listed as a Scott #7 the 1st bid was .99c. Anyone else recognize this one?



I bet the seller is happy tonight!




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Posted 11/03/2019   7:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rgstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
9R1E?
Did the listing include condition?
Hard to drop 2 grand without knowing if stamp is sound

Regardless I would have got excited if I saw this listing but my excitement wound have waned when it climbed above 1300
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Posted 11/03/2019   8:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Caper123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It went from $11 to $2,000 in the last 4 seconds. There was no time to ponder ones bid. Right on...9R1E.
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Posted 11/03/2019   8:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, 9R1E

Pretty appearance.
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Posted 11/03/2019   8:20 pm  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Looks pretty good (sound) to me. The nice thing about ebay is you don't have to worry. If the stamp isn't sound, just return it. When it comes to returns outside of the country though, I do start to worry and it definitely brings my willingnes to pay down a little. Sadly, I must have blew right past that listing this morning. More than likely, I would have also been in the losers circle. I recognize several bidders and the winner, whom I don't know, is on a good run, would like to say high by beating his pants off on an extra-special stamp!
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Posted 11/03/2019   8:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Glenn Estus to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
sinclair: how do you recognize some ebay bidders when the bidders' screen names are scrambled. Do you mean that you think you recognize some of the bidder?
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Posted 11/03/2019   8:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sometimes it's possible by the number of bids. I can recognize a few people that way.
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Posted 11/03/2019   8:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Philazilla to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Is this not 7R1L?
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Posted 11/03/2019   9:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Philazilla to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nevermind. I don't see any recutting.
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Posted 11/03/2019   9:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
How much would a cert cost for the stamp?
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Posted 11/03/2019   9:26 pm  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Glenn, I meant what I said. I recognize some of the bidders and I know a smaller subset of those bidders by name, three of them in fact.
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Posted 11/03/2019   9:29 pm  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think about $500 for a PF cert, right? Too much whatever it is.
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Posted 11/06/2019   11:17 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add matttodd1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If you call and ask, PSE will likely certify this stamp for a $70 fee. They had (and I think they still do) a discounted service for high catalog value stamps like this that would earn a grade of no higher than 70.

I used that service once on a used scott 110.

Matt
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Posted 11/06/2019   12:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Reedededge to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
One never knows what is lurking in the middle of the minefield we know as ebay. Unfortunately, I too completely missed this one, despite checking ebay listings on a regular basis. What a beautiful stamp!
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Posted 11/07/2019   2:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Batessa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
For learning sake, can someone explain this and why this stamp is significant? I take it that it has something to do with the plating or position of the stamp but since that is still light years from my knowledge base, I thought it would be interesting for me and maybe others to be enlightened on this particular stamp by the Knowledgeable!
Thanks in advance!!!!
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Posted 11/07/2019   3:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The printers - Toppan, Carpenter, Casilear & Co, made a die design that was most likely too difficult to actually replicate properly on their 200 subject plates, of the day. There are numerous theories as to why.

They experimented in many ways with shortening the design - both eliminating the fine plumed ornaments at the bottom, which probably didn't transfer will into the steel, and also trimming other parts of the design.

The net result, is, that this fabulously ornate and attractive design, only appears complete in one position on the early state of the first plate. Position 7 from the right pane, of Plate 1-Early, or simply: 7R1E. That is the Type I, Scott #5, which is very valuable as a result.

Positions 3-6R1E, and 8-9R1E have, not only complete top ornaments, but substantially complete (not quite) bottom ornaments as well. These are classified as Type Ib, Scott #5A. They are also scarce, since they only come from 6 plate positions from a plate in use for only one year, during a period where the use of stamps on letters was still ramping up.

The stamp in this thread is position 9R1E, and is a pretty appearing example of it, showing the type characteristics quite well.
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Edited by txstamp - 11/07/2019 3:55 pm
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