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This one I havent received in the mail yet but I do like it so. Not sure about the postal markings but have looked into the ship..   The America class was the replacement for the Britannia class, the Cunard Line's initial fleet of wooden paddle steamers. Entering service starting in 1848, these six vessels permitted Cunard to double its schedule to weekly departures from Liverpool, with alternating sailings to New York. The new ships were also designed to meet new competition from the United States. Europa was the fastest of the initial quartette and won the Blue Riband with a voyage in October 1848 between Liverpool and Halifax of 8 days 23 hours, averaging 11.79 knots (13.57 mph; 21.84 km/h).The next year, Europa collided with the barque Charles Bartlett outside New York. While Europa suffered no casualties, 88 out of 130 aboard Bartlett died. Europa was also chartered as a troopship during the Crimean War and continued in Cunard service until 1867, when she was sold and converted to a sailing ship.In 1858, Europa collided with another Cunard ship, Arabia, in the Atlantic.
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Poor scan of Pmk, unable to tell if it is an "LS" (Lombard Street) Pmks John Hendy  |
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This was not sent from aboard the ship but marked by the sender and intended to be carried by the Europa. "P."= "Per", undoubtedly. With sailings published and known, mailers could specify the carrier, perhaps one taking a direct route to the letter's destination. |
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Thanks hy-brasil thats very useful. it will be interesting reading the letter! and rod222 I will scan more effectively once it arrives Per the courier.. thanks for that... heres the other one again I know nothing about as eagerly awaiting its arrival! Fair strike Carmarthen cds on reverse - sent free to a member of Parliament with London Crown / Free datestamp in red  Does anyone collect these? edit:I sure do have some major studying to do! |
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Lovely Cover. Addressee Richard Burn Esq (Esquire) Deans (sic) Yard Westminster. Google that for interest, esp. the part of a thoroughfare "Thieving Lane" where Her Majesty's Treasury now stands. Note: The writer of the cover, should have been severely sanctioned, by omitting by grave mistake, of the highly respected and honourable apostrophe, required at the end of a noun to show possession "Dean's" Tch! Tch! just not British. Off with his head!  |
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Of course these are collected. The basic style is called "crowned circle", used in Great Britain and various places in the Empire. |
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Circa Timeline of your cover 1818 1817 On June 12th 1817 Karl Friedrich Christian Ludwig, Freiherr (= baron) Drais rode his two-wheeled invention, the first Velocipede, five miles from the centre of Mannheim and back in less than an hour. It was basically a bicycle without pedals that one pushed along the ground but it was still much faster than walking, (along a postal route) Not sure if this stamp has the date correct?  |
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Your 1818 cover was sent by Thomas Burgess, Bishop of St David's in Wales. |
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Quote: Your 1818 cover was sent by Thomas Burgess, Bishop of St David's in Wales. Scot, are you able to explain FREE franking from ecclesiastical origins? Thanks. |
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"explain FREE franking from ecclesiastical origins"
Archbishops and Bishops of England and Wales sat in the House of Lords and were entitled to the franking privilege. So...quite a few... Bishops of Canterbury,Durham,Bangor, Bath and Wells,Bristol, Carlisle, Chester, Chichester,Ely, Exeter, Gloucester, Hereford, Lichfield and Coventry (later became separate entities), Lincoln, Llandaff, London, Norwich, Oxford, Peterborough, Rochester, Salisbury, St Asaph, St David's, Winchester, Worcester, York all had FREE postage. As with Members of Parliament they had to put location and date at the top of any letter and sign at the bottom. As you may know, the Bishops signed using their first name plus the name of their Bishopric. So, Thomas Burgess would sign as T. St David,s. Richard Bagot would sign R. Oxford (as he was Bishop of Oxford), Henry Ryder would sign as H Lich and Cov. (as Bishop of Lichfield and Coventry). Some signed with the OLD name for the Bishopric e.g. Edward Maltby signed as E. Dunelm (old name for Durham), Edward Venables-Vernon-Harcourt signed his letters as E Ebor (Eboracum = York). Others too did this...Winton = Winchester, Sarum = Salisbury. Reasonably collectable as fronts with entires at a premium. Victorians and onwards collected "autographs" so fronts were the main item as it contained signatures of the famous, infamous and notables. |
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Thank you so much scotzm and rod, Very fascinating. Im very pleased with it. I think im very lucky indeed. I will (try to!) scan the whole piece when it arrives.
edit: I'm.. edit edit : I have since found that Richard Burn Esq (Deans Yards) was involved in the Society for Maintaining Poor Orphans of Clergyman.. Which, there was apparently, quite a number! Shocking but true. The constitution is available for a read through. Published 1781 Lets hope the good Bishop wasnt writing regarding this!
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Great material L&F, Alas! you really need a scanner, for us to appreciate.
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