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Posted 02/12/2025   2:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NicholasC to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Classic, thanks. I'll double check the Massachusetts stamp.

Update: I went back and corrected to other post. The stamp is absolutely #11A. I have to remember that many times the image between early and late are very similar.
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Posted 02/12/2025   9:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Classic Coins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You're welcome, NicholasC.
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Posted 02/13/2025   11:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I liked this cover because of the 3c due script. But what jumps out is the sharpness of the stamps impression.
I don't have a scanner so it might be lost in the translation.



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Posted 02/14/2025   3:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Classic Coins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That's a neat cover with a clearly printed stamp, stampcrow. The color looks post-office fresh. Thanks for showing it.

Have you plated the stamp? Looks like plate 5L.
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Posted 02/14/2025   4:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have not plated it. I agree plate 5L at first look because of the, what I call, delicate inner frame lines.



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Edited by stampcrow - 02/14/2025 9:06 pm
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Posted 02/14/2025   10:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NicholasC to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Must this be 34R5L?

It has pretty much all the same rust marks as the sample shown at stampplating.com.

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Posted 02/14/2025   11:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NicholasC to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
What do you think of 21R1L for this one?

Seems to be a right pane stamp and there is what looks to be a guide dot way over on the bottom left.

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Posted 02/14/2025   11:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NicholasC to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Could that be a dot in the diamond block? It appears to be the same color as the inking of the stamp, but it is much smaller than the examples.

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Posted 02/15/2025   12:09 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ioagoa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Nicholas C --

That dot in the center of the LRDB only exists on 2 positions -- 69L5E and 69L5L.

FYI -- 69L5E has one line recut in the ULT -- which was pressed out and completely eradicated when the plate was re-entered to become plate 5L.

The size of the GD can vary due to differences in inking, impression, and plate wear.

Post up a 1200 dpi scan and lets see the full stamp.

Regards // ioagoa


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Posted 02/15/2025   12:23 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NicholasC to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here's the whole stamp. Unfortunately, it's missing the entire left side.

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Posted 02/15/2025   02:11 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ioagoa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi NicholasC --

Your stamp with the apparent GD in the LRDB is definitely not position 69L5E nor 69L5L. The RIL is way off -- both by way of its relationship to the RFL -- and its stopping point at its upper end. On both 69L5E and 69L5L the RIL runs up and into the URT -- but on your stamp it stops at a level roughly opposite the 3:00 position of the URR which is well short of the URT.

A couple of additional comments about your stamp:

-- Your stamp has a NY integral "1 bar" cds cancellation -- with the bar underneath the day. This particular cds cancellation is discussed by Hubert Skinner in his article titled "The Cancellations and Postmarks of New York City: 1845–1876, Their Usage and Postal History" -- which was published in the Philatelic Foundation Seminar Series Textbook No. 3 -- U.S. Postmarks and Cancellations -- Copyright 1992. Skinner classified the cancellation as NYDM 56-2 -- and states that it was in use from 1856 to 1860.

-- The stamp is an A relief.

-- The stamp appears to either be a double transfer or have a bunch of stray inking (???). Look in the white space between the RIL and RFL just above the LRR -- and it appears that a bit of the tessellation work might be doubled up -- OR -- perhaps that is an unusual bit of ink splatter (???). I also see what looks like a possible DT in the S of CENTS -- but again -- that may just be more stray ink. Likewise -- there also appears to be stray inking outside of the frame lines in the lower right corner margins -- which might explain that unusual dot of ink in the LRDB?

FWIW -- Based on everything that I am seeing, I am leaning toward all of the ink specks and splatter being stray ink -- but that is only a guess at this point.

You should try and plate the stamp and see what you come up with.

Regards // ioagoa
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Posted 02/15/2025   12:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NicholasC to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi @ioagoa. Thanks for the input. I think I found it. How about 12L5L? It's described as having rust marks in the lower right corner area. There's even a dot in the diamond.

Here's the Dr. Chase image:
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Edited by NicholasC - 02/15/2025 12:21 pm
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Posted 02/15/2025   12:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ioagoa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Nicholas C --

YES -- 12L5L is correct -- nicely done!

Great example of plate 5L rust spots by the way.

Regards // ioagoa
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Posted 02/15/2025   12:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Classic Coins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi NicholasC,

I checked out your 21R1L, and it is correctly plated. Nice plating reference. Thanks for showing it.
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Posted 02/15/2025   1:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Classic Coins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It's interesting that a dot in the middle of the LR diamond block is a rust spot at one position on plate 5L, and a position dot at another position.

Here is a recently acquired 69L5L showing the position dot in the middle of the lower-right diamond block.

The color is brownish claret. However, my scanner doesn't render the claret color well.

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