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Posted 07/26/2020   6:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Notice the color missing in the top label. Is that plate wear? It seems too localized to be under inking or short transfer.
Any thoughts?



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Posted 07/26/2020   6:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Caper123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
ioagoa - thanks.
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Posted 07/26/2020   10:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Classic Coins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That's really interesting, Stephen! I think I can see a watermark in the envelope, too.
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Posted 07/26/2020   10:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Good eye CC. The piece is still hinged to a page so I never noticed that before.
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Posted 07/27/2020   9:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Moyock13 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have a dilemma! Is it 2E or 2L????
Came up with a 44R2(?) and 45R2(?) pair could be an early plate or late. My guess is 2L.

Here's what I have for show and tell this evening.
44R2L and 45R2L pair, 11A Relief "B", Recut #26. On 45R2L there is a line that connects the ULDB to the TFL.



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Posted 07/27/2020   9:41 pm  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Good one but definitely not OB stamps.
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Posted 07/28/2020   12:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ioagoa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Moyock13 --

That is a nice pair you posted as it shows the recut variety #26 on 45R2L nicely.

Here is a "re-post" of the image I previously posted back in late May that shows the differences between the early and late states of the plate for position 45R2 -- the stamp on the left is early state -- and the stamp on the right is late state.

Aside from the difference in the color -- this image also illustrates the impact of the extensive re-entry process that took place when plate 2 early became plate 2 late.

Regards // ioagoa


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Edited by ioagoa - 07/28/2020 12:25 pm
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Posted 07/28/2020   12:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Moyock13 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
ioagoa, thank you. I forgot all about your earlier post.
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Posted 07/28/2020   2:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ioagoa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Moycok13 --

You are welcome -- and no worries on forgetting about my old post -- as I had forgotten about it myself until I saw the pair you posted. It wasn't until I started to rescan the stamps side-by-side that I realized I had already posted them .

Regards // ioagoa
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Posted 07/28/2020   4:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Chipshot to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have a dilemma with a stamp which I was luck enough to have Classic Coins evaluate as a 6L2L in this series which I decided I might part with on ebay and put it up for sale there. An unnamed customer sent me an unsolicited email about the stamp and indicated it is a misplaced C relief and not the 6L2L. I have been working away on Stamplating.com and have yet to settle on a position although 70L6 and 10R1i have come to my attention. First I know it is the C relief and there is a dot to the right of upper RDB which I am thinking is not a guide dot but just some extra ink. Last I believe that three of the frame lines are recut with the left one cut just a little to high and that the rt frame line is very weak. If you all would be so kind as to plate it for me it would be very much appreciated. My apologies to CC but I think that ebay commentator has got me wondering.
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Posted 07/28/2020   5:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ioagoa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Chipshot --

I believe that your stamp is Scott #11 -- position 10L4 -- a top row C relief (i.e., not a misplaced relief) -- and YES -- that is a guide dot at the upper right just outside of and touching the very faint RFL.

Regards // ioagoa

Edited to add the following PS...

PS -- The stamp I just plated for you as 10L4 is not the same stamp that classic coins plated for you as 6L2L back on May 26.
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Posted 07/28/2020   6:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Classic Coins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Chipshot,

Please see the email I sent today.
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Posted 07/28/2020   7:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Chipshot to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Continuing to learn here, time well spent in learning about this classic stamp. It is remarkable how generous the members are in sharing their expertise for the good of the hobby. Thanks all!
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Posted 07/28/2020   7:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Classic Coins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, ioagoa.
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Posted 07/28/2020   8:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mootermutt987 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So, perhaps this stamp is not a 6L2l, but it strikes me as odd that someone would notify you and say that it is a misplaced C relief without indicating what position he/she thinks it is. Presumably, he/she knows the position (and that it is a misplaced C relief), otherwise the C relief AND the guide dot at UR indicates that it is from the top row. Did your contact indicate what position he/she thought it is? If not, I wonder what would make that person think it is a misplaced C relief, rather than a properly placed one? FWIW, it appears to be a pretty example!
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