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Posted 10/12/2020   10:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
ioagoa, I've been lazy and haven't plated all the stamps on that page so I did make some assumptions as for the chronological order.

The 2 bar Jan 23 is 69L3 so it would have to be 1853 or later. I've made the assumption that the 3 bar would be earlier than that. Bad science!!
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Posted 10/13/2020   12:49 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ioagoa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi StampCrow --

Unless there is an update of which I am unaware (and there may well be), the EKU for plate 3 was Jan 15, 1852 -- so your Jan 23 "2-bar" could well be 1852.

Hard to tell from your scan if your 69L3 is an early impression -- but if Jan of 1852 -- then your 2 bar fits in perfectly with my 4 stamps in terms of chronology.

Take a look at the impression of your 69L3 and see what you think by way of plate wear on the extra fine lines -- which might aid in anecdotally dating the cancel.

Regards // ioagoa
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Posted 10/13/2020   09:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ah hah well there it is. My Chase book lists March 1852 as the earliest known date. I will certainly take a closer look at the impression and report back.
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Posted 10/13/2020   11:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Classic Coins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Chip, That's a really sharp impression on your 12-cent #17!

I have no experience with plating or identifying recuts on this issue, but the Neinken book on the 12-cent issue is available for download from the US Philatelic Classics Society site at the address below:

https://www.uspcs.org/resource-cent...nic-library/
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Posted 10/13/2020   5:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
ioagoa, my 69L3 is a very nice impression. All of the original lines in all 4 triangles are present along with other lines that often show first wear.

My Carroll Chase 1851-57 3 Cent book is a first copy. It says, "The earliest known date of use is March 9, 1852".

So I'm assuming your EKU is an update to my information which dates back to 1929.
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Posted 10/13/2020   5:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add caniche1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just found family album with these 1851-1857 imperforate stamps, and one from 1847 too.



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Posted 10/13/2020   7:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ioagoa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi StampCrow --

For the "Earliest Known Use" dates on the 1851 3-cent issue, I have been using the USPCS Chronicle article titled: Earliest Known Uses in the 1851 – 1857 Era".

This article was published in August 1996, USPCS Chronicle Volume 48 – No. 3, Whole No. 171 -- authored jointly by Elliot Omiya, Keiji Taira, Mark Rogers, Richard C. Celler and W Wilson Hulme II.

This article is now almost 25 years old -- so there may well be other updates to the information it contains - which I did not check.

In any event, this article lists January 15, 1852 as the EKU for the 3-cent imperforate plate 3.

Regards // ioagoa
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Posted 10/13/2020   7:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dudley to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
caniche1, the top two stamps look quite nice. The 1847 stamp is unfortunately damaged. The three-center is cut in at top and close at bottom left but is attractive. The left frame line is I think of some interest, which I leave to those more knowledgeable to address.
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Posted 10/13/2020   9:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I have been using the USPCS Chronicle article titled: Earliest Known Uses in the 1851 – 1857 Era".

ioagoa I will refer to that article from this point on.

Thanks, I'm glad we dug into this a little more.
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Posted 10/13/2020   10:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Laurie 02 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
My latest acquisition type II #14 I think!

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Posted 10/14/2020   11:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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For the "Earliest Known Use" dates on the 1851 3-cent issue, I have been using the USPCS Chronicle article titled: Earliest Known Uses in the 1851 – 1857 Era".


That's a familiar article.

There are some updates of course scattered throughout - I should attempt at some point to make and maybe maintain an updated list. In time, I may try to put that together.

edit: Wilson was very good at keeping the Scott catalog updated with Scott major number EKU updates, so that is another good reference. For the by-plate stuff, however, I don't think Scott has all of that.
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Posted 10/14/2020   11:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add SPQR to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Jim Allen had an article in the May 2020 USPCS Chronicle "The 3¢ 1851 Stamp Plates: Color Changes and Earliest Documented Uses." Anyone interested enough in the 1851 issue to be following this thread 79 pages in should be a member of the USPCS. I'll sponsor anyone that wants to apply for membership.
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Posted 10/14/2020   12:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, Jim's article is required reading for any 3c collector.
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Posted 10/14/2020   12:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ioagoa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi txstamp (and SPQR) --

In addition to the article just mentioned by SPQR -- there was also an EKU update in Chronicle 197 -- Feb 2003 -- for the EKU from Plate 0 -- (authored by Dave Watt and Bob Hegland) -- that moved the date for that plate up by 2 days from 9/8/1851 to 9/6/1851.

Interestingly, that same article also discusses the usage period for the NY CDS with integral 4 bar killer -- (which you asked about in an earlier post). More specifically, according to this article, Keiji Tiara had compiled a record of all of the NY 4-bar cancels he had seen -- and based on his compilation, dated the period of usage for the NY 4-bar from 9/3/1851 to 11/29/1851.

Regards // ioagoa

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Posted 10/14/2020   2:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Add Gary Granzow's article :
"The Plates of the 1851-57 3c Stamps of the United States"
to the list. There is EKU material in there as well.

Chronicle whole number 204, from 2004.

ioagoa: thank you for the pointer about the 4-bar cancel. Keiji (KG) was a close friend of mine, and we used to discuss New York cancels regularly. He was a real student of that and many other things.
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