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Posted 09/10/2023   2:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Chipshot to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I will post a couple of the X cent varieties and ask for critiques on them. I believe them to be 33 and a 34 if I have the information correct, The 34 also has what I think to be a double transfer and I would appreciate it if someone might help me in plating it.





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Posted 09/10/2023   3:37 pm  Show Profile Check jamesg's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add jamesg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
These all appear to be #35 to me because they don't have 3 balls showing left and right.
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Posted 09/10/2023   3:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Chipshot to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you jamesg you are so right in pointing that out. I was preoccupied in the other details that I overlooked that part altogether.
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Posted 09/23/2023   6:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stanshepp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Scott #26 - Plate 9 Late - Probably position 28R9L, slightly oxidized.

Graded 95

Can anyone confirm this position?

Stan Shepp

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Posted 10/01/2023   09:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Moyock13 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Neinken's "The 1851 Twelve Cent Stamp" provides guide dot diagrams for plate one, but not for plate three. Is anyone aware of a guide dot diagram for plate three?
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Posted 10/02/2023   10:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I doubt that such a thing exists, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong.
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Posted 10/02/2023   8:29 pm  Show Profile Check jamesg's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add jamesg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Can someone please assist with help plating this one - at least a clue or two regarding plate/relief and areas you see that might be unique to look for plating this.

I spent hours looking through all the candidates on stampsmarter and another plating guide and didn't see anything close. Any assistance much appreciated. - Jim

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Posted 10/02/2023   10:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Very quick look - relief E from plate 4.
Some positions show the dot below N, for ex 45L or 46L. Probably others.
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Posted 10/02/2023   11:51 pm  Show Profile Check jamesg's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add jamesg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Still stuck. See several similarities on 84R4, but all of the specimens with the blob under the "N" of ONE seem to have one or more major differences. My specimen seems to be overinked or double impression making it harder than usual. The two blobs under "U.S." don't appear anywhere I've looked. Nor the scratch in the ornaments adjacent to the forehead. Still stuck.

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Posted 10/03/2023   09:41 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Plate 4 stamps are notoriously hard to plate, as the impressions varied a lot over time.

I'll look again when I get some time.
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Posted 10/04/2023   09:40 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dudley to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
James, take a close look at 83R4.
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Posted 10/04/2023   2:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stanshepp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I was just sharing an imperf that I needed some help with and I had recently scanned these two newcomers as well, so I thought that I would share them.

Both #26's with certs -
One with a Skinner & Eno type PO-Co 6 cancel "PAID C III Coin cancellation.
and a second
Position 18L28 Quadruple Plate Flaw. A couple flaws, but for $87, what do you expect?

Enjoy!
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Posted 10/04/2023   3:02 pm  Show Profile Check jamesg's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add jamesg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Dudley, I agree that 83R4 is a pretty good match, although the examples on stampsmarter and the 1ct Franklin Plating Archive CD Project aren't great.

Does anyone else have a better match? Thank You - Jim
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Posted 11/10/2023   5:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Hobsun013 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Could use some help on the proper Scott ID for these two items. I recognize the condition and perfs are poor but want to accurately identify them. These stamps came for an older collection in which many of the early stamps were found to be incorrectly IDed. So they are suspect at best.

For the stamp on the left, the previous owner marked it 4R4 (Relief A) the on back. Obviously the Design is "incomplete" on the bottom. The bottom frame line is very light and if "broken " this would lead to a #21. If Not broken this may lead to 20 or 22. With the 21 valued much higher, I would lean towards 20/22. It could of course also be a 24 but it does not appear to have the design trimmed on the right. Given the top frame line is not clearly visible I am struggling. I am sure someone will be able to point out a something to help confirm this one.

For the stamp on the right, the previous owner marked this as #22. I see this as having a broken frame line at the bottom which would rule out #22 and #20 leaving 21 which again seems unlikely and without seeing the top frame I cannot confirm. My gut on this one leans toward a #24. Since I cant see the obvious trims on the right of the stamp and the left side seems a bit more complete than several of the #24s I have I could use a confirmation. Again I am sure someone can confirm while giving me a more informed bit of data to rely on.




Thanks in advance for any feedback.
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Posted 11/13/2023   11:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Left stamp is a top row Plate 4 A relief, type II #20. Bottom line not broken.

Right stamp is a Plate 4 C relief, with a giant bottom line break, as some of the C relief positions do have. Ty III, #21. (C relief tops are broken)
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