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King George V Sideface Varieties

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Posted 05/04/2023   09:31 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Boreraig, the last one looks like it was over inked


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Posted 05/04/2023   9:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Boreraig to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Peter, I am sure you are right since I have now found 5 like that one and one genuine 88 (11)h. (I hope.)
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Posted 05/05/2023   07:50 am  Show Profile Check fairdinkumstamps's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add fairdinkumstamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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genuine 88 (11)h. (I hope.)


Unfortunately not, Boreraig.

88(11)h (11R2 - Electro 11, Right Pane, Position 2) has a tiny semi-circular notch in the lower frame at the left end.

Bill Fiora's books cover the Three Halfpence KGVs in incredible detail and he states that variable blurring across the bottom of the stamp is characteristic of Electros 10 and 11 - yours looks like it may be either 11L5, 11R1 or 11R9.

With regard to the previous stamp. he also notes over 20 cliches that have the top of the A in HALFPENCE as a "solid white triangle".
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Posted 05/05/2023   11:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Boreraig to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Fairdinkum stamps, this is the second time I have been disappointed.
Years ago I discovered my G. Grandmother was buried under her maiden name and I claimed her as Australia's first radical feminist. Only to be told it was common for Scottish Highlander women to be buried under their maiden names. As a result I laid down the cardinal rule for Family Historians. If you are on a good thing, stick to it, do NOT ask the experts. They will correct you. Now I learn the same law applies to stamp collecting.
I really thought I had managed to correctly identify a stamp. I know my stamp matches the description in Brusden White p.150 'Letters "EE" of "THREE" and "A" of "HALF" filled in', and the corresponding picture on p.117. However I didn't know about the "tiny semi-circular notch".
Learn from my innocence. My stamp and Brusden Whites photos attached.


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Posted 05/06/2023   12:13 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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this is the second time I have been disappointed.


With respect,
you should be quite the opposite,
You have learnt something, you have moved forward.

We all get things wrong, it's part of the process
Be excited with your new informed knowledge
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Posted 05/06/2023   04:21 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Boreraig to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Back for more help. I didn't find this mangy, one legged emu, in BW, but he is such a standout there must be an explanation of why he is not listed. He is on a Single watermark.
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Posted 05/06/2023   04:36 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Guess.
Looks like a "Dry Ink" variety.
May we see the entire stamp please?
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Posted 05/06/2023   04:57 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Boreraig to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hope this is Ok

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Posted 05/06/2023   05:57 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hmmm, not the same "dry ink" as I have seen on the internet.
Perhaps "over inked" ?
Time for the specialists to advise.

I checked my 60 copies, only have one similar
evidenced by the background block of colour, holding the "Three halfpence"
Yours is all out of shape right hand side, and a bulge left hand side.

Have not checked BW, leaning towards just over inking, or viscous ink.

(Sc63 ACSC #86 13 electros)
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Posted 05/07/2023   12:51 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Boreraig to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry folks, I simply don't know what I am doing.
a. Is the three halfpence "RETOUCHED"? It is certainly thicker than on other stamps.
b. How do I describe the shading in front of the kings face in the second stamp????
c. Finally, would it be reasonable to conclude, for the 1d brown, if the watermark looks confused it is the Large Multiple?

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Posted 05/07/2023   02:05 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Drm5516 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have looked all over for a place to ask about a penny black and I can't find any place here I'm you and don't know how to navigate I guess
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Posted 05/07/2023   02:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Boreraig to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'm new to this game too, but having a lot of fun. At the very top try clicking on search and then type penny black in the search engine.
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Posted 05/07/2023   02:39 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Boreraig to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think I have found the answer to two of my questions. There is a Small Multiple 1˝d brown so it is Not reasonable to think unclear watermarks are Large Mults. There is a small mult wmk 93 (1)la that matches my thick letters in pence.
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Posted 05/07/2023   05:53 am  Show Profile Check fairdinkumstamps's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add fairdinkumstamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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a. Is the three halfpence "RETOUCHED"? It is certainly thicker than on other stamps.

Boreraig, always include an image of the whole stamp so that those who may be able to assist with plating can see if there matching secondary flaws on the stamp.

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b. How do I describe the shading in front of the kings face in the second stamp????

Not a recognised constant flaw - looks like overinking with shading lines still evident beneath pooled ink.

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c. Finally, would it be reasonable to conclude, for the 1d brown, if the watermark looks confused it is the Large Multiple?
Do you mean Three Halfpence brown? Not sure what you mean by 'confused' watermark.
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Posted 05/07/2023   11:29 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I have looked all over for a place to ask about a penny black and I can't find any place here I'm you and don't know how to navigate I guess


@Drm5516, just above the 'quick reply' box at the bottom of any thread are a few icons. The first shows a folder followed by 'New Topic.' Click on it. Use a sinsible title so people understand what you want to know about a Penny Black and post your question.
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