Perforation Anomaly On Mongolian Stamp

2 things:

1. Raritan is auctioning off a used example of Scott #82 today! I will probably watch but I can't justify the price. It's currently at $700. Someday after we buy the house.

2. I bought a stamp today with a certificate by none other than Dr. Orth listed as Scott 53. My album is a Minkus album and the certificate is SG--it appears to be the correct Scott number (I have found that not always to be a given with the overprints). I just may be more excited about the certificate than I am about the stamp.

Jackie

Congrats! And I believe a lot cheaper than the previous one :)

Thanks. A total steal. Thrilled.

Sold for $1,000 , catalog at $3,000 for the above stamp .

Here is the stamp I picked up today and certificate:





A good day for Mongolia!

Jackie

This is one time I am envious of the cert. Fine stamp too.

Found above stamp on ebay for 10% of what you paid for yours--not counting buyer's fee of course . . . Listing said the cat value is $125, my 2012 catalogue doesn't have a price. Seller has a MH listed for $194, no cert. I looked at both but it was the cert that I wanted just as much as the stamp in this case, if that makes sense.

Jackie

Congratulations to you both!

Thanks rodgcam, always nice to pick up something hard to find.

Assuming it's ok for links:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/203519147136


My 2012 catalogue says Mongolia 53 and 54 are unpriced. I don't see it listed at all without overprints. I have a couple of revenues without overprints--1,2,5 and 20 cent. No clue what they are worth but I paid $1 apiece so not really concerned.

Jackie

Thanks. I did find the ebay listing. Unpriced in Scott without overprint. Listed in 2021 Scott #53 used $125 #54 used $175 with overprint. A good laugh I heard recently is that the Scott overprint pricing is for fakes.

What is the Scott number without overprint?

Scott has no idea of the value of early Mongolia stamps. Did they ever establish values for 74A-J? I have A, D, F, G, H, J. Paid $25 apiece IIRC from a dealer in New Jersey 3-4 years ago. They have been sold at auction a few times for about the same price more or less.

Jackie

Unlisted in Scott without overprint.

Scott 74A-J unpriced except Scott 74C unused $900 used $120 and Scott 74D unused $125. Counterfeits abound!

WAIT A MINUTE -----Who says "Scott has no idea about early Mongolia " yea !!!! Because very very few had a interest in Mongolia . Looking at the Asian expert {Michael Rogers } his 6 stamp auctions catalogs that I have ,doesn't show any Mongolia lots . Surprise Surprise !!!

Let's go back to last year Kelleher Stamp Auction in 2020 had Mongolia exploded in everybody's face even the auction firm was caught by surprise .

Now we got new experts on Mongolia and Scott Catalog does not know values of early Mongolia . I even checked my Greg Manning catalogs from the 1990's and guess what, not a Mongolia lot to be found .

So who knows Mongolia stamps ???? I have to believe it is Michael Rogers and he found it not worth listing in his auction catalogs ,Oh! wait a minute Mike is at Kelleher now and as mention above ,that firm was caught by surprise .

My guess is your going to find more Mongolia stamp collectors in Russia than the rest of the world combine .

I put together my first Mongolian collection in the late 90's. Material was scarce but I managed a pretty decent early collection that I sold for a song in 2007. Prices were all over the place then too--I think I picked up a counterfeit set of overprints for about $10 and and one of the $1 overprints with a certificate for $150--SCV $450. 32-44 (the ying yangs) SCV were about $1 each--I think I found 4 total for sale. This was in the 90's when there were still a half dozen stamp stores in the Boston area plus a show every weekend. ebay had about 3000 listings for Mongolian stamps I swear I looked at every one of them. Lots of CTOs, silver and gold foils from 1995, and lots of topicals.

China probably has a few collectors of Mongolia too, there are more Mongolian people living in China than in Mongolia. I believe last year's Mongolia explosion was most likely fueled by China.

I'm always looking to increase my Mongolia holdings. Earlier in the thread I mentioned Dr Orth as someone whose certificate I would trust. There are very few certificates out there and I would trust the old ones over any more recent ones. There are some great articles in the Journal of Chinese Philately around. I used to have a folder of articles but I think when I sold off the collection I must have included them because I can't find them. Stamp forgeries has a basic primer on the overprints.


Earlier in the thread Randy pointed out that Kelleher (I think it's Kelleher) has some material in their next sale and the overprints are fakes.

I got my 74s from Ross Wiessman. He reported getting them from a Mongolian dealer who came to the US selling stamps. I think it's from the same holding as one that wa auctioned off a few years ago--I want to say at Siegel but I can't remember for sure. I'll see if I can find it online.