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Calculating The Cost Of Certification?

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Posted 02/01/2022   09:18 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add classic_paper to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The reason your posts are always formatted to look like poetry continues to elude me, but reading them that way is enjoyable.
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Posted 02/01/2022   09:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Just_fella to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
"The reason your posts are always formatted to look like poetry"
This is a first for me, I'm not sure how to take it,
Grain of salt and some appreciation? Thank you
Never had anything I've ever written been described as anything that would use the word "poetry"
Lots of other descriptions, nothing remotely close to a positive remark
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Posted 02/01/2022   10:44 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This is where this started:


Quote:
(Not counting chicks before the eggs hatch,
figuring out if I can afford to have chickens.)

If something is represented in the catalogue as unique,R, - or nothing mentioned at all..
How do you figure out a rough idea on how much it would cost in the end to certify?
I know, it's a percentage paid to the person's giving the opinions
just can't figure out how the costs/amounts are calculated


Can someone help me understand,
Is there a formula?


Where is it ending?
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Posted 02/01/2022   10:54 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Just_fella to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
With the answer to the question?

For me the "end" is when I have no questions,
It's a life long thing….
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Posted 02/01/2022   12:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add classic_paper to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Never had anything I've ever written been described as anything that would use the word "poetry"
Lots of other descriptions, nothing remotely close to a positive remark

Well to be honest, I'm happy you take it as a positive, though I wasn't assigned value to it one way or the other. I've just come to notice that you tend to type an idea or thought on each line, as opposed to actually stringing sentences together and composing paragraphs as I'm doing right now, for example. This can make understanding your meaning or intent difficult, since you don't follow modern conventions of grammar and composition. Makes for interesting reading, if sometimes obscure.
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Posted 02/01/2022   1:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Just_fella to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think differently.
Pretty bad at written, I know!
Theres lots I can't explain, I've tried.
I know my strengths and own my weaknesses
Apparently I hold a decent conversation,
but that's somebody else's opinion


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Posted 03/02/2024   07:24 am  Show Profile Check 64idgaf's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 64idgaf to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
My view about certification it that you are paying for someone else's opinion, an expert opinion, but only an opinion.

I'd rather spend $100 on research material to get closer to having my own expertise than losing the money to someone else who's expertise can be uncertain. I have certificates that are completely incorrect but I only know that because of the research I have done.

For me it like the old quote, "Give a man a fish and he eats for one day, teach a man to fish and he can eat for a lifetime".
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Posted 03/02/2024   10:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampgreendragon to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
certs are useful.
cost: 30-60 dollars depending on value and location
shipping - Sometimes you have to pay shipping back and forth in addition to the expertise fee.
total cost can be 50-60 bucks - The 30-35 dollar cert does happen under the right circumstances - US purchase, auction house eats some fees or maybe bulk purchase etc...
Many times even high-end auctions houses miss stuff. There were some articles about collectors who have certitis. Those collections are usually high quality.
Collections without certs, Beware! You really have to trust the collector. And APS memembers and ASDA sell forgeries as real and misidentified stamps too. And they are usually the higher end of collectors. I have even seen specialized dealers miss stuff.
Thus, there is value in getting the opinion of an expert.
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Edited by stampgreendragon - 03/02/2024 10:37 am
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Posted 03/02/2024   8:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Walkman82 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I'd rather spend $100 on research material to get closer to having my own expertise than losing the money to someone else who's expertise can be uncertain


I would agree with this but only to a certain point. There are some aspects of a stamp that should (or must) be evaluated by an expert. For me, color varieties sit at the top of the list followed closely by early coil perforations as they are frequently faked.

I'm not an expert nor do I claim to be. Even if I spent time and money on my own research, I couldn't hope that my hypothesis (educated guess) could come close to someone who has spent years (decades) looking at known copies of what I'm guessing at. Yes, certs can occasionally be incorrect, but the auction houses and collecting community-at-large widely accept them as fact.

That's reason enough for me to seek certification by an expert.
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