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Posted 09/21/2022   4:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add classic_paper to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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So I am curious about these Czech stamps. Why do some end in o and some like this one end in a?

Good question

As a native speaker, the answer is simple: grammar. Czech, like many languages, has to deal with agreements of subject and object, tense, and in this specific case, gender.


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When I've seen them on auction sites they say it's from occupied ukraine and most have swastika on them.

The swastika is your clue that it was used during the German occupation of Ukraine (which has a reasonably convoluted political history vis-a-vis the Soviet Union). If it doesn't have the swastika, it wasn't used during that period, generally.
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Posted 09/21/2022   4:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Chesham85 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think it depends on whether it is Czech (o) or Slovakian (a). Perhaps someone has more complete explanation.
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Posted 09/21/2022   5:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
What 'O' and 'A'?

Do you mean Ceskoslovensko vs Posta Ceskoslovenska?

The first is the male singular adjective and name of the country, the second female singular adjective that goes with the female posta.
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Edited by NSK - 09/21/2022 5:10 pm
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Posted 09/21/2022   5:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add classic_paper to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I think it depends on whether it is Czech (o) or Slovakian (a). Perhaps someone has more complete explanation.

No, it's not it at all.
"Posta" (can't add the right diacritic here) is a feminine noun, so "Ceskoslovenska" (here an adjective) has to agree with it.
Ceskoslovensko is a noun: Czechoslovakia. Posta Ceskoslovenska is noun-adjective: Czechoslovak Post. It the same principle as America vs. American Post.
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Edited by classic_paper - 09/21/2022 5:10 pm
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Posted 09/21/2022   5:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Chesham85 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
classic_paper,

Thanks for the correction. Learn something everyday.

Question - Has posta always been feminine? Ceskoslovenska seems to change to Ceskoslovensko after the first few stamp issuances in 1920 or so?
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Posted 09/21/2022   6:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add classic_paper to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
What you're noting is the change around 1926/27 from Czechoslovak Post to Czechoslovakia (see above).
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Right that's what I thought, Polish is my first language, the males in my family end the last name in ski but the females with the same last name end it in ska.
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Posted 09/21/2022   7:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Chesham85 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
classic_paper,

At the risk of beating a dead horse as I am missing something here. Stamps from 1918 through 1926 read Posta Ceskoslovenska or Posta Cesko-slovenska dependant upon which issue it is. Then in 1926 it changes to Posta Ceskoslovensko due to change in the postal service name from from Czechoslovak Post to Czechoslovakia. Is that correct?
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Posted 09/21/2022   9:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add classic_paper to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Almost. The Austrian overprints and issues to about 1926 read (as you correctly state) Posta Ceskoslovenska or Posta Cesko-slovenska. Then there was for whatever reason a design change from that to just Ceskoslovensko.
So, things went from "Czechoslovak Post" to "Czechoslovakia."


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Right that's what I thought, Polish is my first language, the males in my family end the last name in ski but the females with the same last name end it in ska.

Czech does that too, with an "-ova" appended to the surnames of females. Russian often does it with "-eva."
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Edited by classic_paper - 09/21/2022 10:32 pm
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Posted 09/21/2022   9:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Chesham85 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
classic- paper,

Thanks for the explanation, appreciated.
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Posted 09/22/2022   02:23 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Czech does that too, with an "-ova" appended to the surnames of females. Russian often does it with "-eva."


Taking into consideration the rule does not apply to 'foreign' names, the general rule is that the 'a' is added.'

Alexander Pushkin's wife Natalia Goncharova will have been Natalia Pushkina.
Her father must have had the family name Goncharov, making her maiden name Goncharova.
Michael Gorbachyov's - I intentionally add the y as this is the Cyrillic 'ë' pronounced as 'yo'; the reason news readers kept calling him either Gorbatchov or Gorbatchev - became Raisa Gorbachyova.
Indieed, 'yev' becomes 'yeva.' Whereas 'ov' is the normal ending, certain letters cannot be followed by an 'o' and 'ov' becomes 'ev.' (Gorbachov is impossible, as 'ch' is one of those letters that cannot be followed by an 'o.')

It becomes even more complicated as the names are declensed. A letter to Pushkin's wife will have Pushkine on the envelope, or Goncharovoy before she married.
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