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Subpar Quality Of Vario Sheets

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Posted 12/11/2022   7:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Dunelm to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello fellow philately aficionados! Has anyone else noticed quality issues with Vario sheets recently? I purchased sheets from two different highly reputable vendors on ebay and all sheets arrived wavy (see the picture attached), with the bottom pocket affected the most. I placed a few sheets under heavy weight in a bid to flatten them out but alas to no avail. Both dealers promptly refunded me, but with no good alternatives on the market, I feel really frustrated as to how to store my new arrivals now.
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Posted 12/11/2022   7:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add YbT to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I ordered several packages of 5 rows. One was marked 5 row but had 3 rows inside. Not a huge error, but an error.. seller refunded
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Posted 12/11/2022   7:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Dunelm - There have been some lengthy discussions on this forum about just this topic. I have had the same issue with Vario's that I purchased in the past two years. Also, the ones that I purchased had holes that were not punched and were just cheap looking in general.
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Posted 12/11/2022   8:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Counterfeits on the market? Poor third party vendor storage?

Lighthouse (Lighthouse Publications in USA) currently has their 20% off holiday sale. You could order direct from them without a need to worry about counterfeits or poor stock storage by down stream third party vendors. I have had zero issue when ordering direct during the holiday sales.
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Posted 12/12/2022   05:14 am  Show Profile Check johnsim03's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add johnsim03 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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...but with no good alternatives on the market, I feel really frustrated as to how to store my new arrivals now.


I had a similar experience with a 6 row (6s) shipment recently. I thoroughly investigated Anchor stock sheets (made in Japan) and have now converted to them. The Anchor 1s is a bit wider than the Vario version. The Anchor sheets are thinner but suit my needs perfectly. A wee bit cheaper, too - if ordered in quantity.

If you are used to using Vario-G binders (3 rings) for your Vario sheets, there was an issue with turning because of the 3 ring holes, but recently that has been fixed by Vario. There are no such problems with Anchor sheets.

The "top of the line" remains Vario-Plus sheets - much thicker and thus heavier (as well as very expensive) and I have never had any issues with Vario-Plus.

John
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Posted 12/12/2022   05:26 am  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There are, in fact, lots of alternatives - Hagner, Lindner, Yvert, SAFE etc. Aren't there some US manufacturers of stock-pages?
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Posted 12/12/2022   05:47 am  Show Profile Check johnsim03's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add johnsim03 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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There are, in fact, lots of alternatives - Hagner, Lindner, Yvert, SAFE etc. Aren't there some US manufacturers of stock-pages?


Indeed. If price is no object, there are alternatives such as those you quoted. Scott (Amos Advantage) has a line of stock sheets - I'm not sure where they are manufactured.

For the 8.5x11 3 ring binder USA market, the only real economical choices are Vario or Anchor.

John
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Posted 12/12/2022   07:38 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Aren't there some US manufacturers of stock-pages?


We don't produce a lot of critical things like RX drugs and oil anymore let alone stock pages. We do however "produce" a great deal of social media influencers and cranberries!

Heck, even a lot of our Forever stamps are made in China.
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Posted 12/12/2022   08:13 am  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ah, I'd forgotten the US three-ring preference! Prinz is another I've used - doubt if they do three-ring, though.
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Posted 12/12/2022   8:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dunelm to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you everyone for your responses! I brought up this matter with Lighthouse USA and they promised today to relay my concerns to their QC office in Germany (although I seriously doubt that these sheets are still made in Germany despite the corresponding inscription on every sheet).

After thorough online research, I decided to give Anchor sheets a go, even though I couldn't find any detailed information on their manufacturer or at least the material these sheets are actually made of (PVC?). I prefer to stay away from sheets made using cardboard, such as Hagner or Prinz, as I am always wary of possible transfer of paper fibers on the gum side.

Sturdier Vario Plus sheets are indeed of considerably higher quality. I use them for more precious material, but they are simply too expensive to house regular stuff.
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Posted 12/12/2022   11:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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(although I seriously doubt that these sheets are still made in Germany despite the corresponding inscription on every sheet)


Selling items misattributed to country of origin is a crime with high fines. In other words, not worth the lie, especially for a well established company.
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Posted 12/13/2022   06:23 am  Show Profile Check johnsim03's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add johnsim03 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I decided to give Anchor sheets a go




Good for you, and I do not think you will be disappointed. Be sure to post back here with your observations.

I like to believe that I have high standards when it comes to stock pages. I like them...

John
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Posted 12/20/2022   10:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Reliable source for Anchor sheets? I'd like to investigate a pack.
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Posted 12/21/2022   04:28 am  Show Profile Check johnsim03's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add johnsim03 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
ebay seller firstamp is who I use to get Anchor sheets.

John
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Posted 12/21/2022   11:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the pointer to firstamp. I like the discounts and the free shipping. They're telling me that my order ships today.
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Posted 12/22/2022   06:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add angore to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
To make Vario sheets economically, one would likely do it one production run for possible to cover say a year's worth of sales. This means if there was a process issue in the manufacturing process there would be a lot of possibly defective sheets until they next batch are made. Since sellers likely do not have FIFO type organization they could be around for a long time in sellers' stock.
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