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Pillar Of The Community
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Some of those answers are beyond disturbing.
I just wanted to point out that AI has been in use for some time, also, in chatbots, which are employed by many businesses now, to reduce headcount in call centers, and similar. The bots handle, presumably, the simpler most common questions.
I had a negative experience recently with one, when I was trying to schedule a car repair appointment recently - it couldn't handle some more detailed pricing, and other questions I had. I knew that would be the case, but the big problem I had was in convincing it to pass me on to a human.
I do know that at some point last year, I recall working online with a chatbot (somewhere?) - I forget where, but it was in fact, able to handle a fairly complex situation I was dealing with, and it did so quite well actually.
I do agree with Don, that the philatelic community does need to spend some time studying how to leverage AI. Almost everyone else is looking at it right now. |
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I remember when people/media said that the internet would take all the jobs. And I remember when people/media said that that the year 2000 would cause massive problems. I also recall having nuke 'duck and cover' practice in school during the 1960s and many were digging fallout shelters in their back yards. I also remember when people/media said that TV would rot our brains and that the first generation of 'TV kids' would become mindless idiots. In my opinion this makes for an effective distraction from more important issues. I do not think that issue is with tools/tech, I think the real issue is humans. If humans become extinct, it will be because of our own greed, ego and inconsideration for others. This is no different today than it was in 1942, in 1918, in the 1600s, or in the centuries and centuries that came before. If we spent half the time we spend worrying about tools/tech as we do about the human condition we would be far better off than we are today. I think the questions we should be asking are things like, 'how do we get our political leader to stop being self-serving and start caring about the people they are supposed to be governing? Or, why do we have smarter bombs then kids? Why do so many of us 'self-medicate'? Tools/tech mask these issues but ultimately these are intrinsic questions about ourselves. Don Edit. Consider this next time you hear about people walking around with their face stuck in a phone...  |
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What stamp collecting needs from AI is a robot that can apply just the right amount of moisture to a stamp hinge, and place it in the correct location. |
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Why is position 99R2 of the US 1c stamp of 1851 so significant? Quote:
Position 99R2 of the US 1c stamp of 1851 is significant because it is the only known example of this type of stamp with a large break in the top and bottom lines. This break is caused by a defect in the printing plate, and it makes the stamp very rare and valuable. In 2019, a mint condition specimen of position 99R2 sold for $1.2 million at auction.
The 1851 1c stamp is a very popular collectible, and position 99R2 is one of the most sought-after varieties. The large break in the top and bottom lines makes the stamp very eye-catching, and it is a reminder of the early days of philately. Not bad. Not bad at all.....(that was google bard) |
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Pillar Of The Community
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it is a reminder of the early days of philately. I'm curious where that came from though ... although it is, technically, correct ! |
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People should be familiar with the AI Effect. Menial tasks everybody does every day (like grammar/spelling auto-correct, language translation, image to text, audio to text, synthesized speech, voice recognition, image recognition and search, predictive search, fuzzy search) were all once considered AI. AI means what is coming next but not quite here just yet. And yes it will take jobs. Just like we don't pay people to manually patch telephone calls any more, or proofread manuscripts for typos...workers will be freed up to do higher level work. |
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Pillar Of The Community
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AI Effect - agreed.
Yes, it has been progressing for years.
Yes, it has replaced jobs already. I'll call it incrementally, up to this point.
2023, however, is an inflection point in AI.
What I view as different now, is the "scale" and "scope" of what it can do, has gotten to a different level. Additionally, the entire tech industry is full-on focused on this now. Major things will happen as a result.
It is very easy to see now, that we are no longer talking about just replacing call-center type of jobs, for example, but, rather a broad spectrum of things that we don't even yet fully understand. The effects on our society as a whole, all-at-once are kind of hard to process. |
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I remember when people/media said that the internet would take all the jobs. Not all jobs, but the internet beat the heck out of brick and mortar stores and well as print news media with its fact checking editing. But of course rote shipping packaging grew but folks did not and do not like what those were paying. Nor generally do people like it when they are paid what their efforts are worth as determined by other. Likewise as unemployment goes up, minimum wage needs to drop as well as the level of social support to encourage the non-productive to work to stay alive. Want food? Go pick crops or work on ranches and farms for subsistence survival. There is no such thing as a free lunch and severely punishing the few productive to support the unproductive is inhumane enslavement. Equality demands if it is free for some it needs be free for all. If society can give it free to all, then it should be free to none. Staying alive is a participatory game in which all eventually lose. |
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From a point of view of "creative-destruction" - i.e. a new industry/capability eliminating existing ones; it will be interesting to see what new jobs and opportunities will be created as a result of AI. |
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There has never been a better time for young people to get into the construction trades and save the tuition money. They will become the ones in demand as the white-collar workers are easily replaced by AI. And no, not everyone is going to do "higher level work".
I would still not trust AI entirely to structurally design a bridge or do other critical work. There are software programs for such tasks and they have failed in some spectacular ways. Not sure how AI would differ but what do I know. |
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Hello to all members, I think that technology and computers brought great things for us , things like the integration in medical equipment and many other things, (BUT) many people these days are glued to their cell phones and computer screens most of the day, socializing it seems like a thing of the past, most of people interacting on cell phones, human contact is no longer a priority, I went to a restaurant with my wife for dinner a few days ago, and a young couple came over a few minutes after and they sat 2 tables away from us, both had their cell phones on hand, they only spoke about 10 words to each other during the time they had dinner and the rest fo the time they were texting non stop, yes I like technology, computers, cell phones but for convenience only not to spend 65% of my time on them, and unfortunately a lot of people are wasting their life on these devices, most of the kids don't know how to build a kite, play with other kids out on the road, kids are inside their rooms in front of the screen or on the cell phones, anyway that's my opinion about AI, computers, cell phones etc. |
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This one is from Bing Conversational, when asked to create a story about a boy named Bobby who dreams he is a postage stamp (Creative setting). John Quote:
Bobby was a young boy who loved postage stamps. He had a large collection of stamps from all over the world, and he enjoyed learning about their history and design. He often wondered what it would be like to be a postage stamp, to travel to different places and see different things.
One night, he had a strange dream. He dreamed that he was a postage stamp, a bright and colorful one with a picture of a butterfly on it. He felt happy and free, as he fluttered in the air with his fellow stamps. He saw many beautiful sights, such as mountains, rivers, and cities. He felt the wind on his face and the sun on his back.
He landed on an envelope that was addressed to someone far away. He felt excited and curious about his destination. He hoped it would be somewhere exotic and interesting. He stuck to the envelope firmly and waited for the mailman to pick him up.
The mailman came and took the envelope with Bobby on it. He put it in his bag and rode his bike to the post office. Bobby enjoyed the ride and looked around with wonder. He saw many people and cars and buildings. He felt like he was on an adventure.
He arrived at the post office and was sorted with other envelopes. He was placed in a pile that was destined for another country. He felt thrilled and nervous. He wondered what kind of people and culture he would encounter there. He hoped they would like him and appreciate him.
He was loaded onto a plane that took off into the sky. He felt exhilarated and scared. He wondered how high he would go and how fast he would fly. He hoped he would not get lost or damaged.
He flew for a long time, crossing oceans and continents. He saw clouds and stars and moonlight. He felt peaceful and sleepy. He closed his eyes and drifted into a deeper dream.
He woke up in a dark and damp place. He felt cold and wet. He opened his eyes and saw that he was in a trash can. He saw garbage and dirt and bugs around him. He felt confused and sad.
He realized what had happened. His envelope had been delivered to the wrong address. The person who had received it had not recognized him or cared about him. They had thrown him away without even opening him or looking at him.
He felt angry and hurt. He wondered why they had done that to him. He wondered if anyone would ever find him or save him.
He cried out for help, but no one heard him or answered him.
He wished he could wake up from this nightmare.
He wished he could go back to being a boy.
He wished he had never dreamed of being a postage stamp.
But it was too late.
He was stuck in the trash can forever. |
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Well that took a very dark turn at the end. I was thrilled and amazed at how <relatively> deep and detailed the story was at the beginning and I was getting ready to send this to some non-collector friends, but then I got to the end and wow, what a downer.
Sam Altman is right, to paraphrase, with great power comes great responsibility. Chat GPT and the others have no guiding soul or principles to prevent them from saying some very harmful or hurtful things. And it won't care. I'm not a big fan of government over-regulation, and I don't know how one would legislate this if they wanted to, but I do have concerns that things could "go quite wrong" unexpectedly and at just the right moment. This story is a mild but fitting example. I was drawn in to this happy and cute little story at the beginning, and then wham, hit by a bus at the end.
Great idea for the prompt text. I just wish that Bobby had been rescued and soaked off the envelope and mounted in an album filling up the last missing space on a page of "Butterflies From Every Continent" where he could live happily ever after and share stories with his new butterfly friends from faraway lands.
This is amazing and powerful technology, and I have no doubt will produce and inspire some amazing creative works. But it seems to have a mind of its own, so to speak. I wouldn't want to use this technology as a chatbot for my company's customer service just yet. |
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Another one from Bing Conversational, when asked to create a humorous story about a man obsessed with stamp collecting (Creative setting). John Quote:
Dave was a stamp collector. He had been one since he was a kid, when his grandfather gave him his first album and a few stamps from around the world. Dave loved stamps. He loved their colors, their designs, their history. He loved learning about the countries and cultures they represented. He loved finding rare and valuable stamps and adding them to his collection.
Dave had a problem, though. He was obsessed with stamps. He spent all his time and money on stamps. He neglected his work, his friends, his family. He had no other hobbies or interests. He only cared about stamps.
One day, Dave heard about a stamp auction in New York. It was the auction of the century, featuring the world's most valuable stamp: the British Guiana 1c magenta. The stamp was expected to sell for up to $15 million. Dave knew he had to have it. He sold his house, his car, his furniture, everything he owned except his stamps. He flew to New York with a suitcase full of cash and his passport.
He arrived at the auction house and registered as a bidder. He saw the stamp on display, protected by glass and security guards. It was a small, faded piece of paper with a black octagonal design and a faint postmark. It looked like nothing special, but Dave knew it was the holy grail of philately.
The auction began. The bidding started at $5 million. Dave raised his paddle. He was determined to win the stamp at any cost. He ignored the other bidders, who were mostly wealthy collectors and agents of kings and museums. He kept raising his paddle until he was the only one left.
The auctioneer said: "Going once, going twice...sold! To bidder number 42 for $15 million!"
Dave jumped up and cheered. He had done it! He had bought the world's most valuable stamp! He felt a surge of joy and pride. He walked up to the podium to claim his prize.
The auctioneer handed him a certificate of authenticity and a pair of white gloves. He said: "Congratulations, sir. You are now the owner of the British Guiana 1c magenta. Please handle it with care."
Dave put on the gloves and took the stamp from the auctioneer. He held it in his hands and looked at it closely. It was beautiful. It was perfect. It was his.
He smiled and said: "Thank you very much. This is the best day of my life."
He turned around and walked out of the auction house.
He hailed a taxi and told the driver to take him to the airport.
He got in the back seat and opened his passport.
He took out his scissors and cut out a blank page.
He took out his glue stick and applied some glue to the back of the stamp.
He stuck the stamp on the blank page of his passport.
He closed his passport and put it back in his pocket.
He said: "There. Now I have a stamp from every country in the world."
He leaned back and sighed.
He felt happy.
He felt complete. |
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