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What Are These Marks Caused From? US Scott273

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Posted 07/04/2024   12:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Stamps4Life to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I was listening to a podcast the other day and they were talking about gum gutters I believe the term was.... Anyhow, I then remembered seeing these perf marks on the back of this Sc273. Is this what they may have been referring to - if I have the term correct? What are these marks from?? There also seems to be some other type of indentation in the upper left corner. Apologies in advance for the poor image - it's the only way I could get the marks to show - scanning wouldn't do it.






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Posted 07/04/2024   12:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add redwoodrandy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Not gum gutters. Did you mean gum breakers?
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Posted 07/04/2024   12:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It looks like perforation hole patterns from a sheet laid on top or below for an extended period of time.
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Posted 07/04/2024   07:57 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add m and m to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with Partime.
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Posted 07/04/2024   08:27 am  Show Profile Check eyeonwall's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add eyeonwall to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
partime is correct
they are common for this time period
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Posted 07/04/2024   09:54 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Stamps4Life to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Not gum gutters. Did you mean gum breakers?


Ahhh, that's it. Yes. Knew it was something like that. Tks. Had never heard of the term before.
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Posted 07/04/2024   10:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Stamps4Life to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Impression from other sheet it is then. The little square indentation had me going ! I'd never seen this before. I wonder why none of the ink was transferred? Just think if there was enough weight to make an impression, maybe some of the ink from the next sheet may have been left behind when separated. Kind of odd that I can't see any marks on the front of the stamp.
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Posted 07/04/2024   12:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Those are always good to see, since they only occur on original gum stamps.
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Posted 07/04/2024   1:26 pm  Show Profile Check ray.mac's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add ray.mac to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Stamps4Life, I think you have the same magnifier I use-- Carson?
Love both of mine-- one on my desk, and one in my backpack.

Actually, you apologized for your pic, but you did a really nice job of it!
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Stamps4Life, I think you have the same magnifier I use-- Carson?
Love both of mine-- one on my desk, and one in my backpack.

Actually, you apologized for your pic, but you did a really nice job of it!
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Thanks ray. Yep on the magnifier…. I have 2 , the one you see and a back up in the drawer. Skeptical at 1st , thought cheapo, but it works well and I use it all the time. As a matter of fact, I have more of a problem with poor batteries & not the magnifier.
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Posted 07/04/2024   7:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Stamps4Life to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks everyone for the replies and feedback. Learned something new again!

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Posted 07/31/2024   5:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampsOnMail to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
wait, there's more! you mention lack of ink set-off. How do you know that was the 'face' of the other block of stamps??

(collectors, perhaps youthful, could stack a few too many stamps together inside a glassine envelope at any time...) When I foolishly stashed pile of plateblocks into glassines that I had too few of decades ago, I would at least alternate their facing, so "ink-side to ink-side" and 'gum side to gum side', to reduce likelihood of gum sticking onto front of next stamp. Capeesh? (or "Kapish"?)
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Posted 07/31/2024   7:17 pm  Show Profile Check eyeonwall's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add eyeonwall to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Setoff is not gum sticking to dried ink and then pulling some off when separated, it is gum that came into contact with ink that had not fully dried.
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Posted 07/31/2024   7:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Setoff is not gum sticking to dried ink and then pulling some off when separated, it is gum that came into contact with ink that had not fully dried.

No. The ink set-off of these early flat plate printings is on the paper, under the gum, which was applied later.
In contrast to poorly stored stamps which stuck together after sale and the ink is on top of the gum.
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Posted 07/31/2024   8:35 pm  Show Profile Check eyeonwall's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add eyeonwall to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
sorry, you are right about setoff for these being under the gum
my point was wet ink versus gum pulling off dry ink
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Posted 07/31/2024   9:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
These were common on the Pan American set. There was a thread around about them but I couldn't find it.
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