Two Scott Listed Colors 320 Carmine And 320B Scarlet In One Block Of Four

I am fairly sure that the 26 year old cert would be written differently today if someone sent in a similar block. In any case, even if it got cut into pairs, both are listed, and there is no possibility of creating a problem. Creating "genuine silk papers without threads" is a LOT different than either a "carmine pair" or a "scarlet pair".

And there is the rub...

We know that the 320 is not two different shades because they come from the same block, and therefore can't be different because they are printed at the same time with the same ink on a single color press.

However, if they are cut, they are now legitimate because they are no longer together as a block? That makes no sense.

The silk stamps are still silk (albeit without the normal fibers). By your own admission, you think the lower 320 pair are faded due to exposure or something else. They are therefore not legit (together or separated into pairs).

The 320 cert never should have been worded or issued as written.

I agree with rogdcam this certifcate is as clear as mud.

The opinion on itself makes some sense. Even then, I cannot imagine how underinking can make carmine appear like scarlet. It becomes a light or, maybe, a pale carmine. Underinking does not change the mix of colours from carmine to scarlet. By only stating that it causes an appearance of shades, it fails to state it cannot be two different colours.

I agree, but as I have pointed out already, it is 26 years old!!!!!! The people who wrote it do not write certs any more. The person who approved it does not have that job any more. So what exactly is the point of all the complaining?

This is an eye opener to me and brings into question the procedures followed in the past to expertise a stamp. This discussion also brings in to question how things have changed to resolved these "past" issues. I understand people are gone and no longer expertising, but what about the procedure for expertising? How has it changed? My understanding of colors is that a carmine no matter the level of inking or fading done will not change it to another ink used for printing that stamp. they are different chemical make ups. So especially today when being expertised, even if split into 2 pairs their is no way they would be identified as two different colors. Am I assuming something here that is incorrect?

It is less about the "procedure" and more about what information is included in the final opinions. Depending on exactly how old a cert is, there is generally more specific information about items now. Particularly about condition. However there is a real attempt today for as much clarity as possible. Out of 10,000+ certs a year, there might be a tiny number which are perhaps not quite as clear as they might be, but the object is always clarity.

I agree with JB.
And the database doesn't need to change, only what is output. Would not add any time to the process and would reduce confusuion.

"Simply put, they got it wrong."
The submitter got it wrong, not the PF (their "error" is the confusing format they use).

revcollector, just trying to get clarity to my question that wasn't answered:

My understanding of colors is that a carmine no matter the level of inking or fading done will not change it to another ink used for printing that stamp. they are different chemical make ups. So especially today when being expertised, even if split into 2 pairs their is no way they would be identified as two different colors. Am I assuming something here that is incorrect?

You seemed to state otherwise.

I always thought that carmine had a larger blue component than red. Not sure where scarlet fits into that. If I use a digital color meter (Mac app) the blue component is essentially the same for all four stamps when measured in the same relative area.

Besides the cert not being entirely clear how did "unused OG" turn into "never hinged"?

Happy New Year. May all your stamp finds be Scott 485.

That is possible because before a certain point in time the certs did not automatically specify "NH", just "OG". So it is possible for it to have been NH at the time and not mentioned.

"My understanding of colors is that a carmine no matter the level of inking or fading done will not change it to another ink used for printing that stamp. they are different chemical make ups. So especially today when being expertised, even if split into 2 pairs their is no way they would be identified as two different colors. Am I assuming something here that is incorrect?"

My understanding too.