Are You Guys Seeing This? Is This Real?

Please refer to the image attached below. It feels like I am tripping. Stamps like these are ordinarily too rich for my blood but some guy is selling 'em wholesale on ebay for 11 bucks (shipping not included).

How is this possible? Am I missing something? Are these stamps inexpensive? Can someone in the know please demystify postings like these?

Thanks.

All fakes ,these are not counterfeits , somebody did their own designs of similar stamps.

That's what I thought too. The obvious mark of discrepancy that comes to my mind is the even perforation around the edges. But still, they write in the item description that these stamps are "Non circulating genuine stamps".

Is it too obvious for the opposite to be said? I don't get it.

Oh well! Then they must be genuine. Forgers always tell you their products are forgeries.

7 sold and 3 available is another red flag for expensive genuine items.

Haha. You're right.

Listed many times, by many different sellers, with the same image....

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nk...ty+dalong%22

Yes. It's kind of a recurring theme. I noticed. Maybe that's a trick to hedge against adverse review bombing? I don't know.

Lately, I have placed a bid for an Indian stamp that is selling at a fifth of its minimum retail price. I am hopeful, and the listing looks promising, but such brazen fraud is shaking my confidence a little, you know.

If I win that auction and the stamp gets delivered, I'll share an image of it over here.

Anyone who doesn't fully realize that ebay is chock full of scammers, fraudsters, shysters and other human detritus is not only living in a vacuum but that vacuum is located at the bottom of a massive canyon on a planet far, far away. From sophisticated scum luck Philip Ryle to the plain old mentally ill there are peeps that have taken advantage of the ebay swamp for decades now. Wouldn't have the same cachet without the buggers.

Perhaps the Moderator could change the Title of the thread to something like "Fake China stamps on ebay" ?

That would allow people to find this discussion in the future.

Be careful. Don't scam yourself.

Not to take this discussion down the wrong path ,but do realize . There are collectors like myself that buy stuff like this homemade fake to have a copy for a future reference point . It is not good enough to have a reference library of fakes and forgeries of material that was made before 1950 ,like many websites now have on the web ,showing old ,reference books material is fine but this is 2025 and these pages and books reflect stuff that was around 75 years .
So who out there is working on all this new junk out there ---- It has to be Somebody who is present on a chatboard, who needs to be building a reference point for current stuff .... end of my rant

floortrader:

I am in complete agreement with your "rant". NOW is the time to document this stuff, just like all the foreign FAKES of basic US stamp issues.

Trying to retrofit todays current FAKE stuff in 10 or 20 years will be ten times more difficult.

But just collecting it is not sufficient. It has to be documented, and I don't have the knowledge to know how to make that happen. There needs to be some way to insure that what we (you) learn today is preserved and outlasts our efforts.

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Let's take Floortraders's work as an example. After Mr. Floortrader has departed the planet where will his amazing conglomeration of stuff go and is any of it documented for posterity. It all COULD be documented and published on Stamp Smarter. Right? I say go for it.

ebay does not care either. I have pointed out so many fakes that they just let through claiming it does not violate their policies but ebay's own documents says it bans counterfiets. ebay is part of the problem. Hopefully, some rich person can hold them accountable.

rogdcam wrote....



In a perfect world when Don was around to create new projects on Stamp Smarter, I would have jumped on this thought because I knew Don would be willing to create the resource needed. At the present time, Stamp Smarter still does not have the development capability which would allow us to create new resources like this. I had hoped to be at that stage by the end of this year, but I have not been successful. I now hope we will get there next year. (Anyone have a good web programmer in their back pocket who would work cheap or volunteer?)

I would have no problem with working with floortrader, rogdcam or anyone else here on SCF or elsewhere in the philatelic community to establish an effort to accumulate data and work out a design for a database or webpage that would allow us to collect such information about fakes and facsimiles.

Being a postal history person, and not a stamp guy, I have no experience as to what information should be important to collect about any stamp candidate for such a repository. I would welcome discussions off-line from anyone with thoughts on this subject.

MikeL

"Man plans, God laughs"