Collecting By Engraver

jjarmstrong47 - Have a look at nethryk's post of 01/20/2012 10:24 am
on https://goscf.com/t/9106&whichpage=59
and that of Oct 08, 2013 00:17:39 am
on https://www.stampboards.com/viewtop...751&start=50

Thanks Florian (and Nethryk). That confirms what I thought was happening. I read somewhere that Sanchez Toda engraved the larger stamp as well bit that was obviously wrong. There are as many mistakes on the internet as there are in the catalogues and it takes time to sift through them.

jjarmstrong47 - That Japanese stamp is very beautiful and was finely engraved by Sukeichi Oyama.

This is a portrait of President William McKinley engraved by Sukeichi Oyama for American Bank Note Co. and here we see it on a Republican National Convention ticket (1936)

Spain

Stamps printed by FNMT

Engraved by Camilo Delhom R.(1894-1970)

1931 - Pablo Iglesias



1945 - Stamp Day
Luis José Sartorius (Conde de San Luis)

Chile - 1911

Manuel Bulnes

Printed by American Bank Note Co.

Vignette engraved by Charles Schlecht (1843-1932)
Frame & Lettering engraved by George H. Seymour



Charles Schlecht engraved one of the best Washington's portrait (for Continental Bank Note Co.)

Spain - 1937

300th Anniversary of the death of Gregorio Fernández (sculptor)

Printed by FNMT
Engraved by José Luis L. Sánchez-Toda

Italy - 1906
Sc.93

Vittorio Emanuele III

Designed by Francesco Paolo Michetti (1851-1929)
Printed in Italy by Officina Calcografica Italiana.
Die engraved in USA by American Bank Note Co.

Engraved by Robert Savage (1868-1943)



1920 - Theodore Roosevelt Memorial - Certificate
Printed by American Bank Note Co.
Portrait of Th.Roosevelt engraved by Robert Savage




Brazil 1923
Printed by American Bank Note Co.
Portrait of José Paranhos Jr. (Baron of Rio Branco) engraved by Robert Savage

Thanks Jorgesurcl. That Victor Emmanuel stamp had me puzzled as Gibbons gives the engraver as M. Savage. I couldn't find any trace of M. If they had mentioned that they were engraved by ABNCo. it would have helped.

Strangely, there were three similar stamps issued that year (1906) but on the other two he is facing left and they were printed in typo.

Then in 1909 they engaged the Italian engraver, Repettati, to redraw this stamp and released it in typo which is hard to understand as they were already set up with this one for recess.

Two years later, they again engaged Repettati to re-engrave this and released it again in a different colour and value but printed by recess. It is a completely new engraving, as shown by the extra star on the collar, but again, it is hard to understand why they didn't adapt the original.

It gets quite confusing trying to work out what they were thinking.

The original stamp from Savage came in three different types with quite distinct differences to the crown. The one you have shown is type 36a in Gibbons which would suggest it was the first.

This makes me wonder whether Savage engraved the entire stamp or just the portrait. or whether it was retouched twice in Italy, or even if he supplied three different dies. If you have seen a complete proof from Savage, that would suggest that he did the entire stamp but won't explain why there are three types of crown.

The first issued (1906) engraved by Savage, was printed in a private Company (Officina Calcografica Italiana-Roma) because the Government (Officina Carte Valori Torino) did not have equipment for intaglio/recess printing yet.
When the first printing sold out was printed the second (1909) in typography by the Officina Carte Valori Torino (Government).
In 1911 (last issue) the Government already had presses to print in intaglio/recess.

These are the 3 types :



Type I - 20 March 1906 - Scott 93 (SG 74)
Type II- 1 June 1909 - Scott 111 (SG 80)
Type III- October 1911 - Scott 123 (SG 90)

I don't know which are the 3 types of crowns on the stamp engraved by Robert Savage.
I see 3 different crowns but on the 3 different stamps showed above.

Bonus...

This is a Die Proof of a rejected design for this issue.
It was also engraved by Robert Savage :

I tried to upload this earlier but Photobucket seems to be having a bad hair day.

Gibbons shows three types of crown on the 1906 Savage stamp.



Having said that, of course, Gibbons mistakes keep my brain active and it could be that the different crowns are only on the three different stamps as you have shown above.

That is an interesting rejected proof though I don't think it is very flattering which could be why it was rejected. Savage would have been probably working from a photograph so he would have engraved what he saw.

The lack of local recess capability explains the other anomalies. Obviously by 2011 they had reached an acceptable local standard as there were several fine engraved stamps that year, such as this, printed in Turin.


1911 Jubilee of Kingdom of Italy. Designed by Augusto Sezanne and engraved by Professor Alberto Repettati
I suspect that Repettati had a hand in steering them in the right direction.

Vatican City - 1933

Printed by Istituto Poligrafico dello Stato

Vignettes engraved by Ferdinand Schirnbock
Frame and Lettering engraved by Enrico Federici

Vatican City - 1933

Printed by Istituto Poligrafico dello Stato

Vignettes (Views of Buildings) engraved by Ferdinand Schirnbock
Vignette Pope Pius XI engraved by Enrico Federici
Frames and Lettering engraved by Enrico Federici





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Thanks Jorgesurcl. I have a note that the second Vatican stamp may have been designed by Federici (I had no idea he did the frame as well). Do you know whether he might have been the designer for these stamps as well as engraving the frames?

jjarmstrong - I made a mistake : the portrait of Pope Pius XI was engraved by Enrico Federici. Not by Schirnbock. I already made the correction in the previous post.

The entire set was designed by Enrico Federici.

Each stamp is signed by the engravers :






The first stamp of the set :

Papal Coat of Arms
Designed and engraved by Enrico Federici

Thanks Jorgesurcl. I hadn't noticed all of those signatures. I love it when they hid their signature or made other little secret marks. Slania did that a lot and it makes looking closely at the stamps really worthwhile.