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Russian? Revenues--Two Different Types Of Paper- Help Please

 
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Posted 10/08/2011   11:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add fincbob2451 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello, I am pretty certain that these are all Russian revenues.Can anyone give me a date for them and possibly a catalog number? The two on the right appear to be from the same series but the middle one is a thicker paper and the one to the right of it is a thinner lighter color paper. My first thought was it may be a cut square but I don't really think this is the case. Is there any other reason for the two trpes of paper?
Many thanks
David

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Posted 10/09/2011   03:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi David,

The 1k green stamp is a local postage stamp from the Kungur zemstvo in the Perm guberniya. The text at the top and bottom reads "Kungur Zemstvo Post" It was issued in 1896.

The other two are St Petersburg Police Pass revenues issued in 1860 for residence permits. The 15k was only issued on thick buff paper so you're right, it's not a cut-out. The 10k carmine was issued on at least two different types of paper including a thick surfaced paper. the text on these says "St Petersburg City Police".
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Edited by nigelc - 10/09/2011 04:00 am
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Posted 10/09/2011   1:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add fincbob2451 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
nigelc, Thank you so much, that is incredible information and is mucg very appreciatet
David
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Posted 10/09/2011   4:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add warrehouse to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The Zemstvo postage stamp is very nice. This is a great, beautiful & interesting area of stamp collecting.

Zemstvo offices were originally meant to service the local educational & sanitary & ways & means of communication needs of their respective districts, although Russian law the post was a monopoly of the state, but the Zemstvo post were considered that they were carrying on the work of the Imperial post where there was no service they did not competing with the state and were tolerated. There were originally 371 Zemstvos within 36 governments, but only 162 would ever issue a stamp.

The first post was understood to have been Vetluga within Kostroma government however never issued a stamp until 1905. While inturn, Shlisselburg within the St. Peterburg government was the first Zemstvo to issue a stamp in 1865, but was suppressed 1866 having only issued one stamp. During the remainder of the decade 30 posts would issue 53 stamps.

It was on August 27, 1870 when the state government officially recognized the Zemstvo posts, allowing the post to deliver mail within the district and to the nearest Imperial post office only. It also officially allowed the issuing of their own stamps, but different from the Imperial issues and Zemstvo, while their postmen were not to wear or carry the post-horn symbol which was reserved for the state post only. During the 1870's there were 102 different posts that issued 433 stamps.

During the '80's 92 Zemstvo posts issued 469 stamps. Then issues peaked in the 1890's with 793 stamps from 94 posts. The numbers would decline in the 1900's had only 70 posts issuing 331 stamps, then 1910-17, before the Revolution & civil war 48 posts issued 348. During the Civil war 5 posts, one that never previously issue a stamp, and 9 stamps.

Besides stamps, some postal stationary was used, Post free post card [1], wrapper [1] and pre-stamped envelopes
[15] including two that never issued stamps.

Zemstvos were organized in Russia, Belarus, Ukraine & Moldavia.


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Edited by warrehouse - 10/09/2011 5:10 pm
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Posted 10/09/2011   4:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice summary warrehouse!

There were also a small number of zemstvo revenue stamps.

Here's my only Vyatka zemstvo which happens to be a revenue for payment for prescription charges from 1916:

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Posted 10/09/2011   5:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add warrehouse to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Zemstvo post should be consider equal, but not the same as other posts within the Russian Empire ie Helsingfors, Wenden, Tammorfors & Tiflis.
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Posted 10/09/2011   5:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi warrehouse,

You raise a good point. These other local posts were not organised by zemstvos (as that local government unit wasn't used in those parts of the Russian Empire) but I assume they had a similar function.

I'm familiar with the stamps of Wenden (now Cesis in Latvia) and have pictures of the early and incredibly rare Tiflis (Tbilisi) stamps from Georgia.

However, while I've seen references to the Finnish local posts such as Helsinki (Helsingfors) and Tampere (Tammerfors) I've never seen the stamps.

Do you have any pictures or facts to share on these? Were there any other Finnsh local posts at the time?

I wonder why the the local posts in Helsinki and Tampere were tolerated as there were official post offices in these cities.

Thanks,
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Edited by nigelc - 10/09/2011 5:57 pm
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Yes, I have some. No, my scanner is inop & have not replaced. Yes, there are several sea post stamps all private shipping companies which I have no copies.

Drumso, based in Helsingfors(Helsinki) transported mail & parcels between Finland & Latvia
Issued 6 values in 1893.

Grano Angslups Aktiebolag another Helsingfors shipper issued 1 stamp in 1895 to carry mail.

Helsingfors AA. three values issued in 1895. Stamps were inscribed "HAA" Used on the ship Skulda.
Cancels of these often torn or punched.

Nadendal AA. used a single stamp on the ship of the same name in 1900. Service ran between Turku & Naentali.

Nylandska Skargards AB (Nylands Achipelago Co.) issued a single stamp in 1895 to be used on all the companies mails boats.

Ostra Skargarden (Eastern Archipelago) carried mail by small boats issued 3 values in 1880.

Porkkala-Longviken issued a single stamp in 1895. Shipped mail between Porkkala, Longviken & Helsingfors.

Sibbo MB carried mail on boats of Trafikaktiebolaget Sibbo Skargard issued a single stamp in 1875.

Sommaroana SS Co. issued 4 values in 1895.

Skargards Trafik Aktiebolaget based in Helsingfors carried mailto nearby islands by small boats.
Starting in 1874 and until 1887 issued 21 stamps.

Reutor's Post, issued 1 stamp in 1866. Later issues became Tammerfors starting into 1878.

Thor SS issued a single stamp in 1882.

Thyra SS Co. carried mail between Pikkala, Langviken, Porkkala & Helsingfors. Issued 2 values in 1882.

Wanajavesi SS Co. was steamship company, also known as the Tavastehuis & Helsingfors Steam Packett Co., operated from 1867-72 had issued 3 values in 1867.

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Edited by warrehouse - 10/09/2011 8:17 pm
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Hi warrehouse,

Thank you very much for this great information.

I shall look out for these in the future.

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