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Need Help With Blueish Paper For This Stamp Scott 359

 
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Posted 06/04/2017   05:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Lumhechati to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Is this bluish paper it s 1909 purple 3 cent type 1 washington-deep violet???















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Posted 06/04/2017   08:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
lumhechati, I do not believe it is. Bluish paper looks more grey and the best way to tell is on an orange background.
Please use the "search" function on this page and type in "bluish paper" and you will get all sorts of pictures.


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Posted 06/04/2017   08:53 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The paper may look more bluish on the back because of the dark purple ink on the front of the stamp rather than there being any rag content in the paper which is what makes it the true blue paper variety.
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Posted 06/04/2017   6:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hy-brasil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, the paper is more grayish than blue. The 10c and 15c white papers (with yellow and pale blue printing respectively) can easily fool anyone.

A further test is that on bluish papers, the watermark is very clear and identifiable when held to the light. In fluid, the watermark is also very much clearer than on white paper stamps.
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Posted 06/04/2017   6:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Lumhechati to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hey thank you under microscope looks like newspaper type paper I'll search it I think my lighting is not right.I agree with you you know more than I if this were I diamond or Morgan dollars I'd know or Swiss watch movements
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Posted 06/04/2017   8:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add vinman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a link that is on another stamp board that might be helpful in identifying blueish paper.

https://stamporama.com/discboard/di...16832#127004
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Posted 06/05/2017   08:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Lumhechati to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
i need to adjust the light enhance I used it to show the blue but they are/it is gray ill use the orange paper and that pictures I have several bluish stamps
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Posted 06/05/2017   7:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Lumhechati to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'll try indirect light next



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Posted 07/08/2017   3:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is an interesting picture from http://www.jamesdire.net/W-F.html

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Posted 07/09/2017   12:16 pm  Show Profile Check ray.mac's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add ray.mac to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Lumhechati, if/when you are sure enough that they are blue papers, the only way to know for sure is to invest the money for certification, so they would "officially" be blue papers.

You might also bring them with you to a show or bourse, where several dealers would have a blue paper in their stock and you could compare yours. Or you could buy a reference copy off of eBay....358 can be purchased reasonably.

Anyone here can give an opinion, and you can have yours. Mine is that no amount of enhancing light is going to prove that your stamps are blue papers. You need a comparison with a known copy, or someone to see the stamp in hand that knows these issues well.

Hope this helps, Ray
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Posted 07/09/2017   7:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cfrphoto to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
And no one noticed that the stamp is perf 11 instead of perf 12 and is a dubious color more characteristic of a type II or a type III or type IV offset printing? One clear scan or a high-resolution photographic image is needed instead of multiple blurred eBay-style cell phone images. It is not unknown for fakers to dye used stamps to make the paper look blue, often without realizing that bluish paper looks gray in comparison to normal paper.
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