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Oman: State Versus Sultanate

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Posted 12/02/2010   6:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add stamporator to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I have a few stamps that have the name "State of Oman". The Scott catalogue only lists "Sultanate of Oman", and I cannot find the stamps I have in their listing.

Is the State of Oman a real country, or Cinderella's?
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Posted 12/02/2010   8:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

The Sultanate are legitimate,
the state of oman, cinderellas.

note: Oman has an enclave in an exclave IIRC




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Posted 12/03/2010   05:49 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tonymacg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
For enclaves, India and Bangladesh can beat that one hands down:

"These enclaves of India live on after the partition. The border between India and Bangladesh is dotted with Indian enclaves within Bangladesh, and Bangladeshi enclaves within India.

One super example is the Indian enclave of Dahala Khagrabari which is enclosed within the Bangladeshi enclave of Upanchowki Bhajni, which itself is enclosed within the Indian enclave of Balapara Khagrabari, which is all within Bangladesh."

Reason totters on her throne ...
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Posted 12/03/2010   06:00 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rohumpy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I wonder if his son's name is pronounced caboose--lol.
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Posted 12/03/2010   06:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Fascinating Tony,
(but a bit lost without a map)

How would have that occurred?
differing religious communities?
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Posted 12/03/2010   06:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Ryan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Baarle-Hertog is a Belgian town located in the Netherlands. Mostly. It includes 20 Belgian exclaves located in the Nethlerlands, inside of which there are 7 Dutch exclaves (Holland inside Belgium inside Holland).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baarle-Hertog

Ryan

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Edited by Ryan - 12/03/2010 06:33 am
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Posted 12/03/2010   08:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tonymacg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Fascinating Tony,
(but a bit lost without a map)

How would have that occurred?
differing religious communities?


Not sure. It could have been different religious communities, or a reflection of the complexities of the old states that acceded to India and Pakistan. I'm not familiar with Bengal, but Central India under the British was a fantastic patchwork of fragments of different states.

Useless to show a large-scale map here, but if I haven't sent you copies of some of my maps of the area, you only have to ask. Of course, anyone else who'd like detailed maps of the old stamp-issuing States of Central India is welcome, too.
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Posted 12/03/2010   10:09 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Tony,
..and thanks also Ryan, I'll save the thread
for reference and try and digest it later on.
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Posted 12/03/2010   12:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Amazing Tony! I never fail to learn something new on SCF. I wonder how postal service works here?

India is orange, Bangladesh is cyan



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Posted 12/03/2010   5:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tonymacg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for posting that map BeeSee. I'm pretty sure it explains the reason for the messy border in that area of India/Bangladesh, anyway. Cooch Behar was an important State under the British, although AFAIK it never issued stamps.

The old States usually were quite feudal in their political arrangements. Courtiers or nobles would be awarded villages in return for loyal service to the maharaja. These could then through marriage or inheritance end up surrounded by the territory of another State.

On top of that, to the feudal mind, there was no particular virtue in neatness on the map. When each town or village might possess its own particular charter of rights and privileges, its own peculiar tax system and its own local noble, the idea that it might be surrounded by the territory of another State wasn't too perplexing.

Those of a literary turn of mind might like to read EM Forster's Hill of Devi. It's a non-fictional account of Forster's time as private secretary to the Maharaja of Dewas Senior State. It gives a nice description of just this sort of cartographic chaos.
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Posted 12/03/2010   5:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Great map BeeSee, and a marvelous explanation Tony,

Tony, as an aside, with all your primitives,
I note the princely state of Wankaner, whilst having no
evidence of a postage stamp, does posess a revenue issue.
Do you have a scan of that stamp?

Cheers
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Posted 12/03/2010   5:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tonymacg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry, Rod, I'm very, very thin on the ground as far as Indian States revenues go. The only Indian States revenues that get me seriously agitated are these 1 Anna reds of Barwani:



Why the sudden interest in Wankaner? Or is that something you'd rather discuss off-list?
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Posted 12/03/2010   6:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
No No,
just part of knowing your subject.

With the vast amount of princely states that have flown
under the radar, one has to be curious when states
like wankaner or Sayla pop up.
I think I would get ample support from any Gujeratis :)

Comments from wankaners

hai wankaner
WANKANER PLACE OF KING AMARSINH
alwayas innocent and sweet 'Kathiyawadis' lives here
Wankaner means comunity & Unity of Hindu & Muslime. It's a ....... I hav no world for That
MEGHANI FAMILY HAS DOMINATED GREAT CONTRIBUTION TO WANKANER.
BAZAR ROAD IS A FAMOUS MARKET FOR ALL SHOPPING.
wankaner is a city of cotton industry, fire bricks and victrified tiles. world known quality
Who can be more generous & courageous on this earth than a Kathiwadi?
i live in wankaner it's best place to stay.

----------------

The very imposing palace of wankaner






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Posted 12/03/2010   10:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tonymacg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wankaner did issue many more revenues of one sort or another, Rod - as befits its world importance.

The best I can offer in return from Barwani is this happy snap of the Rana Ranjitsingh in his Daimler tourer, circa 1917:

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Posted 12/03/2010   10:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ah yes, the Daimler - the Austrian version on this 3d Bhutan stamp.

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Posted 12/03/2010   10:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tonymacg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Now I wonder whether Ranjitsingh ever drove his, or had his Daimler driven, up the hill to Bhutan ...
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