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Posted 12/04/2010   08:17 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Horamkhet to your friends list Get a Link to this Message

Hi to all

Anyone got an explanation for this different colouring?
Regards

Horamakhet
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Posted 12/04/2010   08:38 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGV Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi! Horamkhet
Hot water submersion leading to colour bleeding or some other solvent exposure!
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Posted 12/04/2010   3:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Scan too poor to asess.

No colour varieties listed.
This stamp comes in two dies
Kangaroo's eye die 1=dot only
die 2=curved line and dot.

die 2 also has kangaroo's paw = 3 toes
emu's feet 2 toes.

in mint unhinged look for white gum, and pink tint gum
(if you collect gum )

Photolithography
printed on rembrandt press, KP6T paper incl helecon

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Posted 12/04/2010   7:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGV Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
As I look it today. The top right section of that stamp seems to contradict what I have said. It has a straight line to finish the colour change. Looks like sticky tape has been removed. In that same area the roos face is gone and the head has become bigger The emus head has become bigger as well. It is a strange one. I am not sure I have been a help at all. KGV
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Posted 12/04/2010   10:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Do you have a close up of just two of the stamps and also the backs of the stamps?

I would suspect at first, as KGV did, that some chemical reaction had taken place, but, as he said also, the straight edge makes me think of some tape was removed.

Perhaps some stamps had stuck on top of these also and someone had ripped them off, or gently tore them off? That might explain the removal of some of the blue ink in areas.

A close-up scan / photo or real-life inspection of the stamp held on an angle so as to reflect and new paper disturbances might be in order.
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Posted 12/05/2010   12:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Horamkhet to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi
I think KGV may be right, Looking on the back you can see an ink bleed, but would that explain the colour change. There is sticky substance where the cellotape has been, but this is actually under the missing colour, not where the tape was. Also as KGV said, the head of the roo and emu look enlarged so I am not sure how that one would be explained away.This are all part of a large collection of acummulations that the family have given me to sort out. Any suggestions would help.
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Horamakhet


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Posted 12/05/2010   03:35 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGV Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This block of 6 stamps has grabbed me. I keep thinking about them.
It is not the norm for me.
So what info do we have so far!
The colour bleeding has been comfirmed!
Sticky tape removal has been confirmed but not where it is thought to have been.
The possibility on top right stamp that something has been stuck to it and been removed e.g. Another stamp was possibly removed from this area. Still not sure.
The roos and emus head is larger. This can be clearly seen but the speciality book does not confirm it as a known printing flaw and as it is a large flaw it would have a special name and would have been included in that the specialty book.
It is not a typical one off printing flaw.
The fact that the stamps have been tampered with is confirmed in more than one way.
The question that remains to me is has someone tried to forged the enlargement of the roos and emus head. It is just to good a printing flaw to be natural. Has anybody else got any ideas? A very interested KGV!



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Posted 12/05/2010   03:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGV Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The more I look at the top right stamp the more I can smell bleach.
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Posted 12/05/2010   06:52 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Horamkhet to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


Hi to all
You can actually see on this scan where the cellotape was. My other question if it was bleach would it not affect all the others as well? Any suggestions are helpful. Who knows what people did to clean up stamps.
All I can tell you is that they are part of an accumulation of stamps that my family has kept, which also includes stamps back to Mid Victorian Era. They have been sitting in closed tins for the last thirty odd years. I am not a philatelist as such, although I have dabbled and just returned to philately. There are thousands of stamps that I am presently sorting into countries into stock books, then I am going to put them in proper albums in mounts so they do not get damaged. These stamps are mystery to me as well.
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Horamakhet
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Posted 12/05/2010   07:44 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice close-up.

I think that someone has brushed some chemical onto the stamps, not in an attempt to forge any error (thoughtful idea KGV) but in an attempt to remove the sticky tape or the residue left from its removal.

They may have thought that the substance used was not going to be harmful to the stamp itself, but just to the residual sticky tape glue, and thus brushed it on liberally, going beyong where it only was needed.

Another thought, perhaps the sticky tape was used to stick a piece of paper, or non-glue-containing stuff, to the stamps, like a note about value or the cancel or something important to the person doing the sticking on.

That would leave the center stripe unaffected and just the outer stripes with residual glue.
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Posted 12/05/2010   07:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGV Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The prospect of buying a forgery in my Aust KGVs became a concern to me. At that time in the past when I was an isolated collector I had to teach myself everything about my KGVs.
So I tried to make my own forgeries on rubbish KGVs and after I played with them, they were all destroyed.
For obvious reasons I will not go into the exact how of.
I became very good at it indeed. It horrified me how easy it is but an expert would know straight away.
Basically a barrier can be made to control the bleaches effects on a stamp.
In saying this I am not saying you or your family have forged anything and I really mean this. I am just trying to answer your question. KGV
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Posted 12/05/2010   08:23 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Horamkhet to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
HI KGV
No offense taken. As I said I would not know what they have done.
I just thought it was interesting and was trying to find out what could have happened.
Regards
Horamakhet
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Posted 12/05/2010   08:38 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add David King to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
No answers, I'm afraid, just another query.

What puzzles me is that the cancellation is over the affected areas and appears OK. So if there was sellotape there was it put on afterwards? If so, why?
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Posted 12/05/2010   08:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tonymacg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That the colour has bled on the front and the back, and the outlines of the 'roo's and emu's heads have become fuzzy suggests to me that some solvent has been used on them. Metho, perhaps? If anyone has a spare copy of the stamp, it might be interesting to experiment with household solvents, like metho or turps.
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Posted 12/05/2010   09:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The colour leaching across the selvedge,
but not across the pane suggests "abuse"
I could not see this happening at all during production.

A new deep violet cylinder was replaced at one time
but I could not see an error like this happening to such a defined
area.
I agree with Tony.


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Posted 12/05/2010   3:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Horamkhet to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi
I will see if I can get hold of a damage one and experiment. I know that in the 70"s of the 20th century there was a big court case with persons charged with removing postmarks from Australian Stamps and obtaining tens of thousands of dollars of refunds from the Post Office. So who knows. Thanks for all the answers they have been a great help. I will see what other oddities are in the accumulations.

And KGV, there are hundred of KGV"S stamps with all sorts of colour variations and watermark variations, but I have been told that it is a very very specialized field.
Horamakhet.
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