Hungary Stamps - More Help Needed

I got these 2 stamps in a larger group of Hungary Stamps. They look almost the same, but there seems so be some subtle differences in the clouds or maybe one stamp is just a bit darker than the other and that is causing the confusion. Any ideas?

The SG specialist catalogue doesn't distinguish different designs for this. There are two 1000 K clarets listed - SG 416 and SG 447, both from 1924 and both P14. In my collection I have a range of variations of this set - perhaps from different printings as the plate aged.

SG416 has Watermark 11 sideways (a very large design from the Hungarian arms, of a double cross at each end of a diamond shape) (min cat val), while SG 447 has W 43, with a much smaller watermark on each stamp, 4 double crosses art each corner of a square) (cat val £0.90).

Thanks, Sometimes I second guess myself. I have about 10 different values to catalog, they seem to cover several different years. Guess this one is going to take a bit more time.

Pat

Some of those early Hungarian definitives are hard to tell apart especially when the watermark and perforations are the same.

BTW - are you the same Pat that is in Facebook?? There are a lot of collectors in there too, as well as me .

Chimo

Bujutsu

Scott lists the two 1924 examples, as well, but has one at perf 14 and one at compound perfs, 14.5x14. I'd say neither of yours are compound perf, but it is easy enough for you to verify...

The Michel catalogue also lists both watermark types as being perf. 14. I have an older Hungarian-language specialized catalogue that says the earlier watermark is compound perf. 14.25 x 14, and the later watermark is perf. 14.

The Scott catalogue doesn't list perforations in increments any finer than 0.5. I guess they take the 14.25 and round up to 14.5 whereas SG and Michel both round down to 14.

Ryan

A completely plausible explanation, Ryan. Though I (we?) pick on Scott every once in a while for editorial decisions that make one scratch one's head, it seems that "ignoring" compound perfs by way of the policy of rounding down is the less-useful course of action.

Ok guys, need some more help. I spent almost an hour on the internet doing searches by description, looking at e-bay listings etc. I did find one of the stamps on my scan but the others I am at a loss. I spent almost all day Sunday and Monday going through my Scott catalog, looking for similar styles/pictures etc. After this I go on to the OLD Hungary stamps. That will probably test my patience even more





By the way,Bujutsu, I am on facebook. But there might be lots of people named Pat on facebook who collect stamps

Ok I will give you one...i like the stamp...#5 is scott 1027 from 1952 !!

Scott catalog number and Hungary unless otherwise noted.

1. #1526 (1964)
2. #1781 (4Jul1966)
4. #1961 (21Mar1969)
6. Poland #807 (29Mar1958)
7. #C160 (26Feb1955)
8. #1937 (24Nov1968)
9-11. #514,515,520 (1Jan1938)

Thanks, I'm back to the catalog to see why I couldn't find these. UGH!!

Will need fortification (breakfast) before I tackle the early issues. I left them to last. Will probably be asking questions on those before I put Hungary away.

Oops, I see I did it again, mixing countries. There was a Poland stamp in this mix. I was so tired I didn't even see the name. Must have been one of those "senior moments".

OK Pat

But there is also a pic of a dog in Facebook similar to the one here and that is what clued me in <G>

Chimo

Bujutsu (Larry Matthews)

Hmm. I don't have a picture on my facebook page (my external hard drive died with all my photos on it). So it must be another Pat who collects stamps and has has a dog?