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US Labrador Fake Forgery Unknown?

 
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Posted 02/14/2011   11:43 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add nitrolures to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I forget wether these were a fake a forgery or was the US planning on taking over labrador at some point? Would these fall under a cinderella, US, Canada, Newfoundland or somewhere inbetween?
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Posted 02/14/2011   12:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
First I've seen of them. But a quick internet lookup revealed this information:



In the event you can't read the poor scan, here's the quote:


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"There were three illustrated values, 5c, 25c and $1 which appeared about 1907. The inscription makes it clear that the inventor wished to suggest that there was an Amercian Post Office in Labrador. THEY ARE A BOGUS ISSUE.

"These labels were produced in America and generally sold to American collectors. The used example on cover which we illustrate (from the collection of Maurice Williams) paid no postal duty but was probably struck on the envelope addressed to the Montreal newspaper L'Argus in the hope of securing press publicity and stimulating sales of the bogus issue to collectors in Canada.

"To-day, the two lower values are rarely seen, but the multi-coloured $1 value is still comparatively common."

Source: The Encyclopaedia of British Empire Postage Stamps, Volume V, North America, pg 545, Robson Lowe Ltd, London. 1973
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Posted 02/14/2011   3:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampvirgin to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
ah. the invasion of Canada has begun.
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Posted 02/14/2011   6:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nitrolures to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I seen newfoundland and labrador shaded so I finally realized why it took newfoundland so long to part of Canada. Presidents and queens were playin poker and the queen won the pot then said heck with it Canada can have it.
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Posted 02/14/2011   7:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add MmmmBalf to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Haha, reminds of a scene in the animated movie Meet the Robinsons (yes I have kids ). He goes into the future and they ask him where he's from. When he replies Canada, the Grandpa says "I think you mean North Montana, it hasn't been called Canada in years."
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Posted 02/14/2011   7:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nitrolures to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'm as far south as Canada gets -- Detroit could take us out with slingshots except maybe a couple duck hunters would hold em off for a few minutes.
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Posted 02/14/2011   8:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add petermac to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Sounds like you might live to the South of the USA, nitrolures. I always confuse people (even some fellow Canadians) when I tell them that part of the USA is North of Canada.
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Posted 02/14/2011   8:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Found this further information on the issue. Not at all sure how accurate or valid this data may be, but it does make for an interesting read on the subject:


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Labrador Essay

'We invite those who delight in stamps with stories back to them to pay attention to the three stamps of Labrador inscribed 'U.S.A. Post Office'

'W. R. Patton, editor of Canada and Newfoundland Section, Philatelic Gossip, 1927, supplies a few particulars of these stamps, but first let the author state that he purchased two sets from a Montreal dealer in September, 1926. These were in perfect condition, with no defacing marks whatever. The dealer knew little about them except that "many years ago an American had intended to use them on the Labrador Coast and the police had seized them, the lot being destroyed with the exception of a few sets, which had been eagerly sought after by collectors at the time".

'This is what Mr. Patton has to say: "There is a great stamp story behind these. I have been after it for nearly a year, but there is much to get yet. The Supt. P.O. Honolulu, got a great deal of information about these from a Private in the U.S. Army, stationed there, formerly of the Royal North West Mounted Police, who had seized them when bringing in an Eskimo prisoner from the far North, and later destroyed them in Toronto. An item in a philatelic paper published in Regina during 1910 referred to these stamps as having been seized in Montreal, however. It appears that the American gentleman who was responsible for the stamps had issued nearly One Million Dollars worth, as I have evidence that $675,000 were destroyed by the Government, probably more.

'The gentleman made a mistake in trying to annex this territory to the United States.

Source: Stamps of British North America, Fred Jarrett, pg. 138-139, Quarterman Publications, Massachusetts, 1975. Originally published, 1929.



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During 1908 British Colonial collectors were amazed to see stamps for Labrador inscribed "U.S.A. Postage". This was part of an elaborate scheme started in Montreal involving a special issue of three values from an American Company reputedly planning to develop this dependency.

Many of these stamps appeared on letters addressed to newspapers in Newfoundland, causing questions to be asked which resulted in the whole affair, company and all, being revealed as a work of fiction.

The American company claimed to have "received a charter from the governments of the USA and Newfoundland to develop the country, on condition that a postal service to various parts of Labrador was kept in operation during the navigable season.

Therefore the company had issued postage stamps of 5 cents, 25 cents, and 1 dollar; the latter value was intended for use only on parcels and registered matters, and would only be made use of by the officials of the Company.

No official confirmation was ever made, and the stamps were sold directly to the trade, until 1910, when the bulk of stamps were confiscated by Canadian authorities.

Lithographed by the Montreal Lithographing Co., perf. 12, 5 cents seal, 25 cents Inuit, $1 map in black, carmine & blue-green.

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Posted 02/14/2011   10:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nitrolures to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Quite the history and for the timeframe must have been a well thought out venture for that amount of capital to be invested. Guess it could have been squatters rights on a large scale.
Now if my friendly lady at the post office say were to cancel one of these on a cover what would be the end result? Guess date wouldn't correpond well with . My luck RCMP on a horse would be at the front door.
As for how far south I am in Canada --- I believe we are on the same parralel with northern California. Most of MI, MN, ND are all well north of me. Still get hammered with winter here and there but could be a foot of snow 1 day and rain the next.
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Posted 02/15/2011   12:20 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add warrehouse to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Postally used copies are know from 1908 from Ramah, Labrador along with Canadian stamps
per Melville's Phantom Philately. However, I'd think Newfoundland stamps would have been likely instead.
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