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Posted 04/26/2011   8:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add stallzer to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Cover



Strip of 3



Bottom single



Let me know if larger scans are needed on the strip of 3. I can scan them individually for more detail. All scans were done @ 1200dpi.
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Posted 04/26/2011   9:00 pm  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A better image of the strip of three is needed. If you post individually don't crop too close.
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Posted 04/26/2011   9:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ok, 1st try.

Top Left



Top Right



Top Center



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Edited by stallzer - 04/26/2011 9:20 pm
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Posted 04/27/2011   7:58 pm  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Stallzer, I have had no luck plating those stamps. I admit I have a hard time with plates 1E, 2, and 3. I don't believe there is anything terribly special about yours and will be worth the basic cat. value. The odds are they are from plate 2 rather than plate 3. The black Philadelphia cancel and the color of the stamps means it is basically impossible they are from plate 1E. The strip of three are A relief stamps meaning there are 80 possible plate 2 positions which the strip can come from. The single is a B relief stamp and there are 100 possible plate 2 positions. It seems as though all of the marks you could use to plate these stamps are very small and are not coming through on the scan. With the stamps in front of you, you can try for yourself on Richard Doporto's site, http://www.slingshotvenus.com/Frank...nFrame.html. Many of the positions are available for viewing. Winston

Edit: The link is to the 1c plating archive and doesn't work for some reason.
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Edited by sinclair2010 - 04/27/2011 8:02 pm
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Posted 04/27/2011   8:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add otto to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sinclair, there's a period after "html" inside the tag. Try this.
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Posted 04/27/2011   8:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Winston. I went to here http://www.slingshotvenus.com/Frank...inFrame.html and the site is up. The problem is that there are sooooooo many different types and I had no idea how confusing these are. This does not appear to be a task for the weak, although it appears to be a great thing to learn. I see what you mean about the cancels covering areas of the stamp where key items might be under the cancel which help to distinguish which plate the said piece is from. Well, I guess it's time to learn about the most confusing Stamp in history :) :)
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Posted 04/27/2011   9:16 pm  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Stallzer, the 1c and 3c stamps are very poorly understood, even by advanced collectors. You had better proceed with caution these stamps have a way of sucking you and not letting go.
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Posted 04/27/2011   9:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I can't help with plating the stamp, but I found the history of the addressee noted on the cover to be somewhat interesting, which appears to be before her marriage to Calvin T. Wheeler in 1867:


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CALVIN T. WHEELER, the fourteenth vice-president of the Chicago Board of Trade, and president of the Continental National Bank, has for the past thirty-five years been conspicuous in the financial and commercial history of this city. He is a native of the State of New York, and was there reared and educated. In 1851, he made his first advent into this city and formed a partnership with T. J. S. Flint, under the firm name of Flint & Wheeler, and commenced a general commission and grain receiving business, He then became a member of the Board of Trade and was identified with the same for over a quarter of a century. During his connection with Flint & Wheeler, the firm was among the largest receivers in the city. Their first elevator had a capacity of 160,000 bushels and, in 1856, they completed Rock Island Elevator "A," which had a capacity of seven hundred and fifty thousand bushels. In 1861, Mr. Wheeler withdrew from that firm, and with others went into the private banking business. The name of the firm was Chapin, Wheeler & Co. They were succeeded by William F. Coolbaugh & Co., who, in 1865, organized the Union National Bank of Chicago. Mr. Wheeler became vice-president and director of the same, occupying the first mentioned official position until 1873, when he engaged in other business until 1875; then went back into the Union National Bank as vice-president, and remained until the death of Mr. Coolbaugh, the president, on November 14, 1877.
The board of directors of the Union National Bank then made Mr. Wheeler president of the bank, and he occupied the chair until the latter part of 1882, when he withdrew from the Union National and organized the Continental National Bank. Of this institution he is president, director and a heavy stockholder. Mr. Wheeler, during his connection with the Board of Trade, was one of its most active and prominent members, occupying positions upon various important committees, nearly all the time, during the years 1858 to 1868, inclusive. In April, 1862, he was elected to the presidency of the Board of Trade for the term of one year and, in 1863, was on the building committee which submitted a report that finally ended in the erection of the Chamber of Commerce built before the great fire. During his career as a banker Mr. Wheeler has become recognized as one of the most able and substantial bankers in the city, and he has now surrounded himself in his present business with men who are representatives of all that is progressive and conservative. Mr. Wheeler was married to Miss Kate L. Hoyt, of Michigan, in 1867, but her death occurred in this city on May, 1883, leaving an only daughter, Kate. Mr. Wheeler is a member of the Union League Club, and resides near Lincoln Park.
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Posted 04/27/2011   9:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add otto to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for another cover story wt1.


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I'd add the 1855 10c as well, but that's probably because my favorite color is green.
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Posted 04/27/2011   9:35 pm  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
wt1, I love to research the addressees of my covers, there are some fascinating stories to be uncovered and it provides a way to enjoy your stamps/covers without spending money.

Stallzer, I forgot to mention and I don't know if you had thought about it but the 4c rate is not very common compared to the regular 3c rate. The fourth stamp likely paid a 1c carrier fee to the Chicago post office for delivery.
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Posted 04/27/2011   9:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Back to the story of the addressee, maybe a picture of their mansion might be interesting:



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Posted 04/27/2011   9:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I did not know that, thanks. WT1 yes I am well aware of the history of the addressee as they are my Great Grand parents, I am a 7th generation Wheeler. My Mothers maiden name is Hoyt and Katie Hoyt is her Grandmother. My family goes back to the very first days of Chicago as I was born and raised there and lived there for 30+ years. The majority of Covers that I own are from Family.

here is another one I have to my GGM



Here is one to another Hoyt (Jonathan) from the early 1800's from Michigan Territory, before it was a state.



And another Hoyt, my Grandmother from 1952, so I have over 100 years worth of family covers and entires.

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Posted 04/27/2011   11:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Love to look at those classic covers! Too bad those Patriotic covers didn't carry on to the present day, as they would do a lot to change the rather dull looking mail we all see today.
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That first cover just blows my mind! If I had it I would cherish it for ever and probably put it under glass like the declaration of independence! :)
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