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To Hinge Or Not Hinge

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Posted 07/15/2011   9:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add philb to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
stamphead you sound angry ! my counselor told me stamp collecting would be theraputic !!
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Posted 07/15/2011   9:57 pm  Show Profile Check Rileysan's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Rileysan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I am here to say collecting is a democracy.



Never! Here in my kingdom, the word "hinge" is forbidden to be spoken lest ye incur the wrath of my ... err, Wrath!

Stamphead has the beside manner of Dr House, but I still agree with his sentiment :)

Brian
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Posted 07/15/2011   10:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add finches to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rod222, I've never used a hinge, don't keep or like them but I would defend your right, until my death, to use a hinge on any stamp you own (democracy).

P.S. The strange thing is the difference in value a hinge/hinge mark makes on higher priced items. I've witnessed valued $1000 stamps reduced to approx' $800 due to the hinge.
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Posted 07/15/2011   10:54 pm  Show Profile Check Rileysan's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Rileysan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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The strange thing is the difference in value a hinge/hinge mark makes on higher priced items.


It's common to find never hinged bonuses on mint stamps of 100% to 1000%.

I will not openly criticize anyone for their choice of hinging mint stamps, but I will not defend their "right" to hinge either.

Instead, I choose to lead by example. The problem is, noone ever sees my example, dangit.
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Posted 07/15/2011   11:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add philb to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You know what...once you own the stamp..what you guys do in the privacy of your own home is your business !!
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Posted 07/15/2011   11:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Alejandro Sanchez to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I prefer to get MNH stamps. Price is big and we can to build a excelent collection.

When we started to collect stamps, maybe 20 years ago, the best was to buy used stamps, because it aren´t expensive, but if we have more than 10 years collecting stamps, we must begin to buy Mint stamps only, but it is important to expertize condition of each stamps.
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Posted 07/15/2011   11:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add artlaunier to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hinges, ugly little things....

If I find one on a used stamp, I soak it off. Sometimes, this uncovers a fault not otherwise visible. If I find one on a mint stamp, I cuss, trim it and leave it on so not to cause any more damage. I really dislike the little buggers. Its like a roach in my collection.

Of course, this is just my opinion. Like they say, everyone has one.
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Posted 07/15/2011   11:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add vacuum man to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ive sort of been using the fold o hinges for my stamps and like them a lot. I have also been using the supersafe for the cheepos. A while back I did notice that the older minkus hinges were actually fold o hinge only re-labeled. I reserve using the mounts for my more valuable/ delicate stamps.

Recently I have been eyeing collecting precancel but haven't started an album yet. Is it practical to get a cheap precancel album somewhere. Or should they be put on a blank album page in some order only leaving openings for undiscovered stamps.
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Posted 07/15/2011   11:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Recently I have been eyeing collecting precancel but haven't started an album yet. Is it practical to get a cheap precancel album somewhere. Or should they be put on a blank album page in some order only leaving openings for undiscovered stamps.


I find this to be a great resource. Download all of the album pages but print only what you want. You can develop a very nice looking precancel collection using these pages and it can be as big or as small as you feel comfortable with right now, and you'll always have the option to expand it later on:

http://www.precancels.com/albums.htm
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Posted 07/15/2011   11:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add beezer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
vacuum man,

With regards to your precancel question, there are album pages available for the bureau precancels that will set you back about $49 if I'm not mistaken. I recently purchased some on ebay and like them. For the town & type precancels I have mine in a stock book arranged by state. Precancels are a ton of fun to collect!
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Posted 07/16/2011   01:21 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cephus to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I don't hinge anything, ever. Used, mint, doesn't matter, they all go in mounts, always have, always will. I really don't care what anyone else does with their stamps though, it's theirs, they can do as they please. Light them on fire for all I care.
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Posted 07/16/2011   06:53 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add finches to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Quote; I hinge all my mint unhinged stamps.

Rod222, would you honestly hinge a MUH £1 Bi-color Roo?.
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Posted 07/16/2011   09:13 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kirks to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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FINCHES: I've witnessed valued $1000 stamps reduced to approx $800 due to the hinge.


So, if I hinge 1000 stamps with a catalog value of 20 CENTS each, their auction value would be diminished from $200 down to $160.

Instead, I should spend about $100 on MOUNTS to protect my my investment?



KirkS

p.s. I get your point -- if I had an inverted jenny, I wouldn't hinge it.
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Posted 07/16/2011   09:31 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cephus to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This isn't about investment and it's not about saving money. Heck, if you want to save money, just lick the stamps and stick them on the page. No need to buy hinges or mounts.
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Posted 07/16/2011   10:58 am  Show Profile Check Rileysan's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Rileysan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'm sure you're just playing devil's advocate, Kirk, but this very thing has been addressed before.

1) Philatelists ought to be good stewards and preserve postal history to the best of their ability for future generations

2) Cephus nailed it -
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This isn't about investment and it's not about saving money. Heck, if you want to save money, just lick the stamps and stick them on the page. No need to buy hinges or mounts.


3) History has proven that with time, your "worthless" modern stamps can and will have value.

I'll use one of philately's most popular set of commemoratives as an example ... The Columbian Exposition stamps.

Not only did the Columbians not increase in value for decades, they were selling well below face value and speculators were urged to sell their stock of Columbian stamps before their value decreased even more.


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Fifteen of the stamps went on sale Monday, January 2, 1893. They were available nationwide, and were not restricted to the Exposition in any way. This was a larger number of stamps than the United States Post Office had ever offered in a definitive series, thanks to the unprecedented inclusion of stamps denominated $1, $2, $3, $4 and $5: no U. S. postage stamp previously issued had cost more than 90¢. As a result, the face value of the complete set was $16.34, a substantial sum of money in 1893. In approximate 2009 dollars,[1] the set would cost almost $390. As a result, only a small number of the most expensive stamps, especially the dollar values, were sold. Unsold stamps were destroyed after the Columbian Issue was removed from sale on April 12, 1894. Over 2 billion stamps, whose total face value exceeded $40 million, were printed by the American Bank Note Company.

Opinion regarding the Columbian Issue at the time was mixed. The set sold well and did not face the sort of criticism that led to the withdrawal of the 1869 Pictorial Issue. However, approval was not universal. An organization called the Society for the Suppression of Spurious Stamps was created in protest over the creation of this set, deeming the Exposition in Chicago insufficiently important to be honored on postage, while some collectors balked at the Post Office Department's willingness to profit from the growing hobby of philately. Ridiculing the $5 stamp, the Chicago Tribune pointed out that it could used for only one purpose: mailing a 62½-pound package of books at the book rate.[2] The Columbians did not immediately increase in value after being removed from sale, in part due to substantial speculation resulting in a glut of stamps on the secondary market.



I remind everyone that no one is forcing you to do anything you don't want to do. Nor is anyone suggesting you be persecuted, prosecuted, denounced, or censured

My goal, and I trust the goal of my fellow hingeless zealots is, to encourage other collectors to stop using hinges for the sake of preservation.

Would you nail a painting to the wall just because it was cheap or has little monetary value?

Brian
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