A Little Trivia Test For All Of You

The Color Guides Ron is talking about is now a 3 binder set costing between $550 used to $1,250 new. I don't think too many people will have those.

My curiosity with the color variations -- How and where does oxidation get taken into account. I mean generally the examples that most of us will see/ have will not be as fresh MOG or even close. For example I just received one on cover that is brighter than others but since it has been out in the air and traveled through possibly many hands it is a little worse for ware. How can the original color be estimated with all the general parameters of usage and wear. There is such a huge difference in values is it possible a stamp with wear and tear could exhibit a dull rose yet have started its journey as a brighter pink?

nitrolures
Your question is well put and is one of the hardest to answer for the A25 series. To make your point all one needs to do is look at the example used by the Swedish Tiger for the 64a. To me it looks like a faded carmine pink, but, even though it is faded you can still see the lavender undertone ( ref. in the White guide it is called a bluish tint). Bill Weiss once said the undertone must be present before he describes a A25 as a Sc#64 issue, when asked to describe this undertone, he's reply was "you will know it when you see it". I must admit that after comparing several examples I must concur with him. For the Sc#65's, almost all will have a brownish cast to them even though some contain a pink shade.
Now to describe how one deals with oxidation. What I do, is try to find the best shade match (and believe me this is why the White color guide comes in so nicely) and call it that shade. If the stamp falls half way between two shades I call it the low valued one.


I feel the time is rite to ask the second part of the trivia game. Who can Identify this stamp? Remember it has no grill.

i have a 64 pink out for certification at the moment.. on cover as well.

Nice stamp but was never good a trivia,,, and also just getting back into collecting,,,,

Seal--
Hoping you can help me out. I received this one in the mail today-- I bought it as a 64b, but after I've put it in between my 64 and 65, it looks more rose or even red to me-- I'm color-blind, so I really struggle with this issue. Before I sent it to BW, I thought I'd see if there was an opinion on SCF




It would be really nice if it looks like a 64b to you or any others out there.

Thanks much, Ray

Seal, let me take a SWAG on your trivia--

Very white paper, but not the re-issue because it would have to look brown.

Could it be one of these?
Proof- on stamp paper, 65P4c
or
#65, red rose or bright rose red (leaning towards red rose).

If I had to narrow it to one, #65 red rose

Thanks, Ray

Ray
Judging from the scans, and I am saying this with caveats. Your stamp looks be either a #65 deep brown-red or possibly a #66 brownish lake. I would need to have in hand to tell which. It might be worth sending it to BW for certification.
You were very close with your swag. Until I actually had my White in hand I thought it was a 65P4c. But as it turns out it is a dead nut ringer for a #66 lake red.
The best
Ron
PS keep you eye out of a new thread that I will be starting. It will test you skills at Id'ing # 67's

@Seal~ I too have two I would like "looked at" Would you take a quick look if I posted them? One you seen before and I am well aware of color variants (computer screens and all the other possible variables involved) but you seem to know more than most on the subject. Thank you. pics attached below.


My 65


Socked on the nose 65?


my #11?

Hey
Please understand what I am about to say is purely based on the colors as I see them on my computer. The only true way to identify the color is to have them in hand.
The top stamp A25 looks to be a red brown, if this is the case it would be a Sc#65 issued in early 1862.
The next A25 looks to be a light brown red, if so issued after late 1862.
Lastly, the A10 has questions. Look at the cross hatching below the bust. You will notice that the diamonds formed by the cross hatching do not have uniform coloring. Some darker and others lighter, also the back ground of the "THREE CENTS" looks to be darker than the background around the bust. Just looking at the darker colors lends them to be either a "coppery" orange brown or a light brown-red.
I wish I could do better for you, but this is as close as I come.
Ron

OK, Ron, here's one (three) for you....I've been reading a bit today!

Why can this stamp, even though it is very pink, not be pink?
What color is it?
What is the nickname of this color?




Ray