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Several Russian Or Armenian Overprints Discussed

 
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Posted 08/20/2011   12:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add jhlovell to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
These Russian overprints are very tough knowing real from forgery. Can anyone help with a Scott or if need be SG catalog number and maybe some help getting the validity (or not) of this overprint. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. - Jeff

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Posted 08/20/2011   12:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It's probably Armenian. Sometimes the overprints appear crude when they don't go on cleanly.

In the Scott catalog, likely Armenia #101 or thereabouts.
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Posted 08/20/2011   12:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jhlovell to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
thanks khj. Those sure are toughies. Appreciate the help. - jeff
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Posted 08/20/2011   11:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Just to make it easier for you



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Posted 08/20/2011   11:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Early attempt at moving pictures. See the runner getting ready to make that all important first step?

Bundle a whole stack of these overprints (they are plentiful), and you can make a flip-book of a stick figure running!

k
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Posted 08/21/2011   07:23 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


Very good Kim.

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Posted 08/25/2011   10:23 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jhlovell to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Rod, printed the thread. If I read this correctly, you have shown me 10 varieties that may be overprinted on stamps. Just the kind of thing that I was looking for. Great! Thanks a million. - Jeff
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Posted 08/25/2011   12:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have left mine, for the person who inherits my collection
to organise


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Posted 08/25/2011   2:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jhlovell to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
They do require a level of expertise all their own!
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Posted 08/26/2011   1:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add vasia to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Armenian overprints on Russian imperial stamps probably constitute one of the most difficult fields of Russian philately, especially due to the very large number of forgeries that have flooded the market for decades now. Unfortunately, it would probably be no exaggeration to state that over 80% of all such overprints in the market and in collections are forgeries.

Tchilinghirian & Ashford and Dr Ceresa have made extremely valuable efforts to describe genuine and forged overprints, as well as provide an accurate classification. Their classification goes well beyond what any catalogue has provided until today, so if one is really interested in expanding their collection in this field, they should get hold of their works.

The drawing that Rod has provided from the Michel catalogue shows that the so-called "unframed monograms" can be roughly divided into small, intermediate and large. Within each of these 3 basic categories there are further subtypes. The situation becomes even more difficult when one has to deal with an incomplete or poorly-printed overprint or with the different stages of wear of the overprint handstamp.

As a rule of thumb, I would never trust the drawings of any of the major catalogues to judge the authenticity of an Armenian overprint. Here are the drawings of the various types of the large unframed monograms provided by Dr Ceresa:



The overprint on the 35k stamp shown by jhlovell definitely belongs to the large unframed category, but one would need to compare it with the drawing of the genuine + the drawings/pictures of the 34 or so forgeries given by Ceresa (for the large unframed alone!) to decide on its authenticity.

Not an impossible job, actually quite fascinating, despite the patience and time that it requires.
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Posted 02/09/2012   02:08 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Anyone familiar with this one?
or is it bogus.



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Posted 02/09/2012   5:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Looks bogus to me. There are lots like these with meaningless surcharges.
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Posted 02/09/2012   6:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Nigel,
filed under the folder Russia : Dubious Overprints.
(numbering about 30)
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