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I Think I Might Have A 482A! ????

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Posted 08/26/2011   1:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add ratio411 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I'll take it from the album and scan it shortly.

I have been working on sorting the nightmare that is the
Washington-Franklin set of the early 1900s. I have been
getting lots of holes filled, and still lots to sort.

Anyway, I was doing a refresher on what I actually have
in the album, to kinda give myself an idea of where I
am at. I was looking at the 1916-17 Imperfs Dad already
had mounted in his album (I haven't found loose imperfs yet)
and I notice his 482 Imperf is actually perfed with oblong
rectangles. I thought that was funny, so I got out my
2007 Scott's Specialized and it shows those perfs to be
on 282a. Then my eyes naturally look over at CV, as on
any stamp I look at... and I see "$50,000.00"

So now, of course I have to make sure it is what it appears.
Probably not, but I was excited enough to post here.

This stamp was not one that Dad got from Mystic, so I can
only guess it is one he got years ago and remounted it in
the new album. ??? He may have never thought about it.
He's not here to ask, so I guess I am on my own.

Any thoughts?

Dave
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Posted 08/26/2011   1:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I certainly hope you have #482A, whether imperf or Schermack!

But I have either misunderstood your post, or you may have misread the Scott catalog.

The difference between #482 and #482A is not in the perforation, but the former is Type I while the latter is type Ia. In the main listings, BOTH stamps are imperforate.

If your stamp has Schermack perforations, same Type difference rule applies.

The key is to verify Type I or Type Ia. If it is Type I, stamp is relatively inexpensive regardless of perforation. If it is Type Ia, the stamp is quite valuable, also regardless of perforation.
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Posted 08/26/2011   1:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ratio411 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Oh, I gotcha...
My Scotts says that all known 482a have the "Schermack" perfs.
What you are saying is that ANY stamp could have those perfs.. Correct?
Pics coming with next post.

It's probably just a perf'd imperf with my luck, but I got excited.
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Posted 08/26/2011   2:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ratio411 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here's the scans.
Highest res this site will allow.





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Posted 08/26/2011   2:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ratio411 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I can tell it's one Dad had from younger days because the mount
is not the perfect size for the stamp. All his stamps bought in
his last years from Mystic came with mounts the exact correct size
for each stamp. When the stamp has the 'wrong' size mount, I know
it was one of his old collection stamps. The 1c next to this came
from Mystic... As seen in the different size mount.
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Posted 08/26/2011   2:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
...of course, I may have misunderstand the Scott listings (and it wouldn't be the first time!).

Both 482 and 482A exist with Schermack perforations.

My question is, have you already determined it is 482A (Type Ia) and not 482 (Type I)? As far as I understand, you cannot make that determination alone based on perforations since both stamps exist with Schermack perforations. Once you determine whether 482 or 482A, then use the imperf/perf to determine whether main listings or in the "Vending & Affixing Machine Perforations" section.

According to Scott, there are no known examples of 482A imperforate (they were all supplied to Schermack to perforate). If that is the case, I do not understand why there is a difference in the catalog values for those stamps in the 2 different sections (at least in the 2008 that I checked).
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Posted 08/26/2011   2:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Well, it is a Schermack, but I can't tell if it's 482 (Type I) or 482A (Type Ia).

I'm not skilled at differentiating between the different types.

Somebody else will need to chime in.

k
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Posted 08/26/2011   2:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ratio411 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, I jumped the gun.
It's probably a 482 that had been perf'd.

I was going by the fact it was perf'd, and not a design characteristic.
I am staring at the scan and the Scott description, and I cannot tell
one way or another. The differences must be very subtle, like color
shades on a 64/65. Dad was colorblind and half blind, so many of his
stamps I find are mounted on the wrong pages and such anyway.
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Posted 08/26/2011   2:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ratio411 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I GOTTA GET THIS LOOKED AT!
I Googled 482a, and ALL of them went to a Pittsburgh PA bank...
Nothing special, EXCEPT DAD GREW UP IN PITTSBURGH, and all of his
non-Mystic stamps would have been collected in Pittsburgh!

Getting my hopes up again.
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Posted 08/26/2011   2:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ratio411 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A certified 482a: (Wish it was a larger image)
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Posted 08/26/2011   2:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ratio411 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Dang if I can see a difference.
Even the cancel is almost identical.
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Posted 08/26/2011   2:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ratio411 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
40 known singles...
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Posted 08/26/2011   2:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chasa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Your stamp could also be SC 409, watermarked. It looks like the 409 impression and color to me.
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Posted 08/26/2011   2:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ratio411 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a cert type 1...
I can see lots of differences between this and mine!
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Posted 08/26/2011   2:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Coinsearcher83 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I guess at this point the best thing would be to determine if it has a watermark or not..
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Posted 08/26/2011   2:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ratio411 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Your stamp could also be SC 409, watermarked. It looks like the 409 impression and color to me.

So I need to rule out a watermark?
Shoot... another hurdle.
If the 409 is type 1, then it's not a 409 though.
The rope and button are too strong for type 1.
(In comparison to the type 1 I pulled up online)
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