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Posted 08/30/2011   11:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add fincbob2451 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello, Once again I need help in identifying some revenue stamps.The first on is Costa Rican. It reads Secretary of Finance-Proportional Ring? Proportional Ring may have translated wrong as it made no sense to me. I need a catalog number for it please.


The second one is a Bayern Toll stamp, again a catalog number please

The last one is Japanese and I know nothing about it, so any information on it's use and a catalog number would be great.
As usual your help is invaluable to me.
Many thanks
David


The correct scan is now there for the second one.
Thanks
David
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Posted 08/30/2011   11:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cursus to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The translation of the 1st, should be "Costa Rica Republic Finance (Treasury, Exchequer) Secretary"
The second is a Guatemla revenue stamp.
That's all I can say. Nothing for the third. I'm sorry!
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Posted 08/30/2011   11:51 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The third matches the design of the 1898 parcels series, but I'm not much good with the characters. The 500s is listed as light brown and the 1000s is listed as yellow.
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Posted 08/30/2011   1:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add fincbob2451 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hello, The wrong scan for the second one, I will fix that.

Cursus and cjd, many thanks, your help is most appreciated.
david
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Edited by fincbob2451 - 08/30/2011 1:08 pm
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Posted 08/30/2011   2:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Your Bavaria looks to come from the 1882 series of revenues, Bavaria #14 in Forbin. It is one of 12 values, the first five of which (the various pfennig values) are emerald green, and the balance of which share the color in your example.

[edit: Forbin is pretty old, so any newer information would be appreciated.]
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Edited by Cjd - 08/30/2011 2:09 pm
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Posted 08/30/2011   3:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add fincbob2451 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks again cjd, great info and very much appreciated. Do you know what the overprint means?
David
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Edited by fincbob2451 - 08/30/2011 3:24 pm
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Posted 08/30/2011   4:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Guessing it is a pen cancel/date, which is something I would expect to see on a revenue. Looks sort of like "20 VII" which I would take to be July 20.

Guessing. Perhaps someone will know for sure.
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Posted 08/30/2011   6:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add fincbob2451 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
cjd, thanks again
David
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Posted 08/30/2011   11:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I wonder if Tony Mac can offer his wisdom?

I have the third as an Express stamp.

Express parcel stamp then?

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Posted 08/31/2011   9:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add fincbob2451 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi rod, I saw a website that called it a Parcel Post stamp issued by the Ministry of Railway/Express Co. Each color is a different value. The value is found on the ribbon. That is all the information they had though.
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David
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Edited by fincbob2451 - 08/31/2011 9:57 pm
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Posted 08/31/2011   10:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Someone who could read the values would be able to positively i.d. this guy...it doesn't seem light brown to me, but it looks more orange than yellow, too.
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Posted 08/31/2011   10:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tonymacg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Apologies to Rod222 and Cjd (who had to prod me in the ribs) over this one. I only looked at the first scan, and didn't look further, assuming it was all Spanish.

The 'value' is in the central ribbon. I put value in quotation marks because it isn't shown as currency. This is inscribed something like '1000 items'. I chased the offending character through several dictionaries, including one from the 19th century, and they all agree that it refers to 'things', not any unit of money.
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Posted 08/31/2011   11:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So, if Forbin lists the possible suspects as 500 somethings, or 1000 somethings, it looks like we go with 1000 somethings. Which would make it Forbin Japan Colis-postaux #10, 1898. It should be perf 14.

Thanks tmg.

(As always, if anyone has newer, better information, pipe up.)
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Posted 08/31/2011   11:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tonymacg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, Cjd. This one is 'one thousand things'.
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Posted 09/01/2011   12:11 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting, I must have missed them in Forbin
I can now move them to "Revenues"

Here is the blue 100 "things"
(not mine)




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Posted 09/01/2011   12:29 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add quigngt to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
"Ring" is a valid translation of "Timbre" but not on this Costa Rica stamp. It can best be translated as "Tax Stamp". Same thing goes for Guatemalan Timbre stamps.
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