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Posted 11/22/2011   11:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Tomten to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi there.. As I am in the middle of sorting through my foreign covers, I have trouble ID:ing this stamp. To me the paper looks very bluish, and the only bluish 5c stamp that I can see in my .pdf of 2009 Scott Vol 1 is worth $15,000 used.. I believe I must be doing something wrong.

Note the date says 1919 and the bluish paper was issued 1909... Maybe it's just very "smudgy"? However it looks much more blue than other 5c Washington I've got.




It's okay to bring me bad news, I'm not expecting anything. I'd just like to know which stamp it is.

Thanks in advance.

EDIT: I also find it quite interesting that there was a Swedish Singing Society, and that they had their own print on envelopes.
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Posted 11/22/2011   11:10 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chasa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Since it is Perf-11, it must be SC504.
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Posted 11/22/2011   11:13 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Tomten to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That's what I thought at first too, but since I only have a ruler and I'm not any experienced at all with perf, and it being all that blue I had to ask. :)

It's just not the edges that are blue, the whole picture is MUCH bluer than other Washingtons I've got, is there any reason for this?
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Posted 11/22/2011   11:19 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Check out this link, in particular next to last paragraph of page 2, where the "Swedish Singing Society of San Francisco" is referenced:

http://www.swedishrootsinoregon.org...ocieties.pdf
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Posted 11/22/2011   11:38 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Tomten to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you very much for the link! Really interesting read!
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Posted 11/22/2011   1:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bujutsu to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Tomten

I am not an expert on US stamps but after looking at your scan, I am inclined to think that maybe your stamp has the bluish effect because it has 'wiping ink smears'?

Just a guess of course.

Chimo

Bujutsu
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Posted 11/22/2011   1:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Tomten to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Bujutsu.

Well yes, looks that way.. The paper isn't bluish all the way to the edges.. It's just that the face of Washington is extremely much bluer than other Washingtons I've got.. So it's not only smeared to the edges. The whole stamp is more bluish.
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Posted 11/23/2011   06:05 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rohumpy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Since the stamp in question is not the bluish paper issue, the following is probably moot, but---

The bluish paper stamps are not really that blue. They are more of a gray color and the color shows best on the back of the stamp.
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Posted 11/23/2011   07:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Tomten to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Well I've always had trouble with different shades and colours.. I always need to compare with a similar stamp to be able to figure out which shade.

Since I'm sorting through covers, it's hard to see anything at all on the back of the stamp.. watermarks are impossible on some envelopes, since they are too thick in some cases.
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Posted 11/23/2011   08:35 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Wadmalatz to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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'wiping ink smears'?

That`s my guess too (and I`m neither an expert). Here is what I found in a stockbook, the two in the center seem somehow similar to your`s:



But no difference when you turn them:


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Posted 11/23/2011   09:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Tomten to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks a lot for that picture Wadmalatz. Well of course I would check the back of my stamp if I could :)

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Posted 11/23/2011   09:17 am  Show Profile Check Rileysan's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Rileysan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
WT1, your penchant for finding obscure articles is on the verge of becoming legendary. As always, you've found something interesting and unusual about a cover. Well done!

Edit:

This article is of particular interest to me. My maternal family tree includes family members who were a part of the Swedish migration to Oregon during the 1890s, and remained in contact with extended family in Sweden at least through the early 1990s. My mother's sister is now the keeper of all family genealogy. Perhaps I'll ask if there were any choir members in the family :)

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More randomness ...
I saw my aunt and grandma over Thanksgiving, and alas, we have no family members that were a part of the Swedish Singing Society. I did, however, get the timeline right! Grandma stated that her grandmother immigrated to Brainerd, Mn from Sweden in the 1890s and moved to Portland shortly after that.
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Posted 11/23/2011   11:19 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add quigngt to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have read that the blue tint to some of the stamps of this era are due to the type of printing. If I recall correctly, the stamps that are faintly blue all over on the face are printed by a "wet" printing process. A "dry" process was also in use and does not tint the entire face of the stamp with color.
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Posted 11/28/2011   1:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
I have read that the blue tint to some of the stamps of this era are due to the type of printing. If I recall correctly, the stamps that are faintly blue all over on the face are printed by a "wet" printing process. A "dry" process was also in use and does not tint the entire face of the stamp with color.


Exactly what quigngt said! I was just ready to reply with very similar information!
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Posted 11/29/2011   06:36 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rohumpy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Perhaps I am off base here, but I thought that the dry printing of US stamps did not start until the 1950s.
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Posted 11/29/2011   08:24 am  Show Profile Check Rileysan's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Rileysan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Perhaps I am off base here, but I thought that the dry printing of US stamps did not start until the 1950s.



I'm not sure. I kind of hope that Russ will chime in here.

I thought the term referred to a deliberate printing method. In this case, the wet printing on this stamp was accidental.
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