Help With France Yt20 And Yt35

Scotts #23 and 24... or YT20 and 35
How to differentiate ? Scotts states : yellow-green on green and green on pale blue..

Yvert-Tellier says : green on tinted paper for 20 and light green on blue.

Give me a break.... They cant even figure it out... I have at least 3 and can not figure out what they are. Two of which came from the same collection I purchased and the last owner had them as different stamps.. Here is a scan front and back of the 2 lasts one I purchased....

Does anyone KNOW how to tell them apart? Are they the same stamp??





Thanks for the help..

I find the Maury catalogue better due to the amount of images but for France I do also have SG, Y&T and Scott.
I do have both a #20 and a #35 and the #35 is very obviously on blue paper whilst your are both greenish.
Maury lists a few shades for #20 which doesn't make it any easier.

If you also have a #53 this is also seen in both these shades of paper.

Hi Badge

I am not a collector of France per se but my 'guess' is that the scan on the right is on blue, albeit feint. Don't quote me, I could be wrong :(

My other suggestion is, maybe you should try the Ceres catalogue for France. One of our local members at our club specializes in France and he prefers that catalogue over the Yvert & Tellier. Myself, I wouldn't know since I have never had a copy.

Chimo

Bujutsu

I also noticed a faint tint of blue on the one on the right.. Is it blue enough? are they both Scott 23s ? AntonyUK say they are.. anyone else have a opinion?

Hi Bujutsu.
Ceres is no longer made but is now incorporated in the Maury catalogue I mentioned.

In my opinion, they're both the same stamp.

I found a scan of these items.
If nothing else it shows the vast range of colours for the #20

Thanks for that Anthony

I wasn't aware that Maury had taken over that publication. I guess I have an excuse though since I am not a France collector lol

Still learning

Chimo

Bujutsu

Looking at the scan that Anthony provided for #20 is an eye opener.

If I was sorting through a batch of France, which I just did recently actually, I would never have guessed that the extreme left and right stamps were the same issue. It is no wonder that a lot of us collectors can go nuts trying to colour code all the old definitives of the past.

As stated earlier, I don't collect France per se but in August of 2010, I bought 2 plastic bins loaded with loose stamps with WW stamps and, of course, there was a lot of France in them. A lot of the countries in those bins I can now use for trading purposes anyway.

Interesting thread.

Chimo

Bujutsu

Anthony's scan includes 1c and 5c issues, so that isn't a range across just one catalogue entry. Scott has an entry for the 1c and then two subtypes for colors, and two entries for the 5c, one with a subtype for color.

Looking at the 3 5c stamps (far right) I would say they are all #23SC. The paper tint looks the same even if the ink varies in shade a bit. The other dead give away is the dates on the post marks... 1867 and 1866.... stamp #24 did not come out until 1871.
The first 2 are 1C and are SC#22
Can someone post a scan of a SC#24 back and front so we can see the difference...?
That would settle it if its obvious.

The one on the right of my scan is much more blue 'in the flesh'.
If you compare it to the two 1c which are also on blueish paper and then look at your two the difference should be obvious Badge.