Hawaii Scott No. 6 Or No. 11 Or Forgery?

This stamp has major thinning, but I'm trying to figure out if it is genuine or a forgery (Taylor or other?). There's some great information on the Post Office in Paradise website about differentiating the genuine from the forgeries here:

http://www.hawaiianstamps.com/bgforgery.html

I'm still not sure though which it is. Any opinions or input?

Matt

Based on all the comparisons on the web site, I'd say it's definitely a forgery. Too many items just don't match up.

But, having said that - I'm not sure exactly which one. Every time I thought I had one of them matched, some other details pointed towards another. But, it looks like not a genuine for sure.

Kurt

I'm still having a hard time deciding which this really is. Based on the differences identified on the Post Office in Paradise website, I think I can pretty much eliminate varieties BCD and E, leaving A (the genuine issues) or F. F was printed by lithography, but this appears to be engraved.

Does anyone know if there are forgeries other than those identified on the website?

I'm troubled that the frame line doesn't really appear doubled as it should in both A and F, although the margins are tight on the right at least, so maybe it was cut away?

I pretty clearly eliminate B through E as follows:

B: there is definitely a dot between the S and 8 at right. B has none. Also, the vertical dividing lines in the bottom template definitely run the full height. In B they stop short.

C: the vertical dividing lines in the bottom template definitely run the full height. In C they stop short.

D: the vertical dividing lines in the bottom template definitely run the full height. In D they stop short.

E: Hawaiian is spelled correctly at left. In E its misspelled Hawaniian.

I guess its the fact that the right frame line looks more single than double in the one I have that really bothers me the most. It doesn't seem to fit any of these.

Matt

I'd say a definite forgery. The portrait is quite crude, and the left epaulet looks like it could be a Spiro. And the lower left 13 lacks the extended lower curve, or tail. Both ends of the 3 are quite bulbous.
Kind of wish the images on the Post Office in Paradise site were larger, but I'd bet the farm (if I still had it) that it's a Spiro Brothers forgery.

Thanks James. I appreciate the input. What about the fact that the Spiro forgery (type E) is supposed to have mispelled "Hawaiian" in the right panel, having spelled it "Hawaniian"? It's definitely spelled right in the example I have.

Here's what the Post Office in Paradise page states relative to this:





Matt

Hiya Kurt! Nice to bump into you on SCF!

The stamp is a forgery. Normally the quickest way is to check the right frame line, but since the right margin is incomplete, the alternate "quick" way is to look a the "13" in the bottom left corner. It is missing the "tail" protruding to the right of the "3" found on all 20 plate positions. For reference, please see http://www.hawaiianstamps.com/bg_pl13.html.

It is not one of the forgeries shown in the Post Office in Paradise website -- that is not a complete showing of all the forgeries.

Hiya right back atcha k!

I thought I'd run into you here at some point!

K

Thanks khj! Where might I find some info on the particular forgery shown here?

Matt