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Can You Tell Me About This Japanese Postcard?

 
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Posted 06/07/2012   4:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add kehess to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I found this postcard when I was reorganizing my covers. I don't remember acquiring it. Can anyone tell me more about it?












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Posted 06/07/2012   5:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dlawson281 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I pulled out my 2012 Sakura catalogue of Japanese stamps and found the Post Card listed as PC11, issued 9.19.1876 price used 500 yen.
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Posted 06/07/2012   5:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dlawson281 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
but no I can't read the Japanese.
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Posted 06/07/2012   6:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kehess to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you both! I wasn't expecting to recruit a translator but I'm glad to know the postal information.

BAYERN1kreutzer, I'm really impressed that you can tell that it comes from Kioto. How did you know that?

I read a very tiny bit of Kanji and I see 6 and 19 on the cancellation. Does anyone know if that means June 1919 or June 19 or (month) 6, 1919? What order is used in Japan month-day-year or day-month-year?
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Posted 06/07/2012   11:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If a year date is shown (not sure) it would be in Emperor year date format, or for this date (before 1912) the Meiji Emperor (started 1868 = Meiji 1)) so add 1867 to the number to get the Western year.

I cannot read Japanese either.

One reference dates site:
http://www.sljfaq.org/afaq/dates.html

Since 1868 the usual format is Month / day.
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Posted 06/08/2012   05:24 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tonymacg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I can confirm that the card was posted in Kyoto, from Yamagoe Post Office. It's dated 19 June (also in manuscript on the front) but no year, and I can't find a year mentioned anywhere on the card. It was addressed to Kameoka ('Turtle Hill'), which these days falls within Kyoto Prefecture.
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Posted 06/09/2012   10:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kehess to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks tonymacg!
That's great information! I recognized the character for mountain but I didn't know how it related to a specific place name. It's nice to have the infrmation all the way to the post office level. And thanks for checking for a year. I wish there were one but it's good to have confirmation.
Karen
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Posted 06/09/2012   11:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tonymacg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Kehess, this http://www.mapion.co.jp/address/ is a very handy site for locating modern place names. Tracking down older locations can take a bit of delving. 'Yamagoe' doesn't appear in the first level list for Kyoto Prefecture, so I had to dig down into the lists of locations within the 'Ku' in Kyoto City to find it. Kameoka is still there, listed directly under Kyoto Prefecture, though.

I can understand your frustration at trying to find a location 'Yama-?' though ...
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Posted 06/10/2012   01:39 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kehess to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Tonymacg,

The very tiny bit of Kanji that I can read comes from learning some Chinese many years ago. So for me the character is Shan and now I know it's also Yama. That will give me a clue for future reference.

Since I have been reading the forum I have enjoyed getting back into the world-wide portion of my collection. But I know so little and there is so much to learn!

Thanks for the website but it's way beyond my abilities both for my language skills and for the depth of understanding my Japanese stamps. I certainly hope to improve my skills in both areas because the stamps are so beautiful!

I really appreciate the help with the postcard information provided by all of you and the postmark information is icing on the cake! Thank you!

Karen
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Posted 06/10/2012   07:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tonymacg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Karen, knowing some Chinese is both a great help and a great hindrance to tracing Japanese names. The Japanese borrowed the Chinese pronuncations at the same time as the characters (that is, the pronunciations current around Shandong in about the 7th Century ...), but many characters can be read two ways, the borrowed Chinese version and the native Japanese word. 'Shan' is a perfect example. The 'borrowed' Japanese pronunciation is 'san', and the native Japanese word is 'yama'. So the famous Japanese mountain is referred to either as Fuji-san or Fuji-yama. (And 'Fuji' is two borrowed Chinese pronunciations: fu (fortunate) and shi (gentleman).)
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Posted 06/10/2012   08:28 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add doug2222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Japanese Emperors and Eras:

Meiji, September 1868 to July 1912; Year 1 is 1868.
Taisho, July 1912 to December 1926; Year 1 is 1912.
Showa, December 1926 to January 1989; Year 1 is 1926.
Heisei, January 1989- Year 1 is 1989.

The same calculations apply for dating modern coins.

The card's denomination is 5 rin, which corresponds to the lowest denomination stamp of that period, such as Scott #55, 75, or 91.
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Posted 06/10/2012   8:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tonymacg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
BAYERN1Kreuzer, both your cards are also from Kyoto, and the right hand one is from Yamagoe again.

The left hand one is from Kyoto also, but precisely where I can't say. In the position where 'Yamagoe' appears on the right hand card, there are just the figures '14'. I've tried a quick Google search on it, but I can't find anything useful about it.

The right hand card has a nice clear 2 November date, but I'm not sure of the date on the other.

The left hand card has a handstamp down the right-hand side: Kyoto Court#12539;Examination Office.

Both cards may be linked. The left hand card is addressed to a Mr Tanaka, probably in Kawagoe as well, and the right-hand card has several personal seals, including one for 'Tanaka'. Unfortunately, 'Tanaka' is probably the most common surname in Japan ...
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Posted 07/03/2012   5:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add filipo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Does Sakura catalogue are listing prices only for the entire postal cards, or also for the cut outs?
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