3c Washington Help

I can not id this joint pair of 3c washington or the style perfs. Are they fake????? The paper looks off, almost like a newspaper. I have never seen this style of prfs either.

These are tough ones. I'd guess it's an issue 1914 or after because of the lighter violet colour. Before then they were described as deep violet.
But it's the perfs that I'm sure are raising your curiosity. I think those are called sewing machine perfs, because they look like they were done with a...wait for it...sewing machine.
Don't see anything in my Scott's Specialized, but I'll look a little more before bed.

I also want to say they look like a type II. But the lines in the toga botton are not like they should be. I also thought maybe it was a offset printing due to the sharpness being so poor.

Wasn't there the Chicago counterfeits around this time or am I thinking of something else? This is an odd perforation that I have never seen.

One would think that this is a private perforation. There are such things as "sewing machine" perforations, but I have never seen any Washington-Franklin listed with such.

Surely an offset printing SC535. Most likely private perforations applied in somebody's basement perhaps contemporaneously.

The paper quality feels much like a newspaper as well. May be it is counterfeit, but if it is, why would they have used a Perf that is so noticeable and draw attention to itself? You would think the countifitter would have tried to blend it in more with a common style?

They look like offset or lithograph. I've never seen sewing machine perfs on the Washington-Franklin stamps. You would want to send them in to find out which fakes they are.
William

The "Kansas City Roulette's" were on the 1c 408, and 2c 409, both earlier flat plates, but the stamps shown are definitely offset printings. Not anything I've ever seen on the later issues....looks like a fraud to me. Ray

I've been looking at the scans of the stamps and the perfs look like they are Wilson roulette, not that I've seen it on a 3c before only on 1c and 2c, which would mean its a 484 with the Wilson roulette perf, does anyone else think the same?

Razor,

Do you thing they are forgery?

The stamps appear to be offset printing (535). The perforation spacing does not match the Wilson spacing, these are short one perforation horizontally from the Wilson. Power search Siegel for Wilson roulette and you will see the difference.

I don't think these are Wilson roulette perfs, the examples at siegal all have a diagonal year from the perforation almost forming an X.

I still think it a version of the Wilson roulette, had a look on on siegel and there is 2 on there as Wilson roulette 2c 532 but the Wilson roulette was 481 and 482, it looks like term Wilson roulette is being used for all sewing machine style perfs, Russ said he thinks it is a 535 and I'm incline to agree with him but I still think its a wilson roulette

Would someone be so kind as to give some details on the Wilson roulettes. I can find the Siegel reference by Googling, but no real details. Who produced them and why were they produced? I have the info on the Kansas City Roulettes, but this is the first I have heard of Wilson roulettes.

Since I am really into the Washington Franklins, I am really wanting further info.

In the early 1920's a quantity of imperforate sheets were siezed as collateral by a Pittsburgh bank. A bank employee named J. Hull Wilson applied the roulette perforations so that they could be used for posting bank letters.