Another Thread About Possible #64's

Thats right... I now can scan, so I would now like to know whether or not I have any 64's. Here are the stamps you will be analyzing...




Sorry if the picture is too large, but the "optimized" one looked too small.

#3 in the top row looks a bit odd to me; the color is unusual and the ornaments on the corners are very clearly completed; on the others the ball is indistinct, whereas on that one it is as clear as a bell.

Sorry, all I see are 65. That's not too bad considering they are around 150 years old...

Nice bunch -- I believe the first one in the top row is a cork cancel. And a nice bullseye on the last one in bottom row.

Personally, I like #3 in top row, but the bottom center picket-fence is a little over the top

We've had several discussion threads here about the merits of hand (manuscript) cancels. Personally, I like them (as evidenced by my avatar), but others here would prefer an actual cancel.

KirkS

no

This color chart seems to work pretty good when looking to verify color variations on Scott#'s 11-64,65-214 & 279. The other benefit of this catalog is it tracked color variations by year, early, mid & late. It also rates the scott#'s 64 & 65from 1-10, 10 being the rarest color found during a specified year.I'll try posting more scans of it. The last great thing about this catalog, it walks you through the proper ares to identify the 279 type I,II,III & IV.

You can pick them up some what cheap.

Why would this not work for grilled issues? As far as I know all grilled issues were the same color variations as #65. I'm open to learn something new.

I really can't give you answer on that question. For some reason it goes out of the way to state this color chart is only accurate on Scott 64&65.

My vote: all 65's. One hint - compare with a 9cent 1938 presidential - if they match you have a real candidate.

The grill colors are different than the non-grilled issues.

The color guide is based on Mike McClung's work, and BTW, in the current issue of "The Chronicle" just out last week, they have finally started to show color images of all of the pink's and rose pink's.

The grills were out in late '67 through Jan of '69, and the grill colors are found on ungrilled stamps during that time, and are rarer on the ungrilled stamps.

Dull Rose is found on all grills and is the only color found on the experimental grills: A, B, C, D and Z.

Pale rose is found on E
Brownish red rose is found on E and F
Lake Red only on E
Rose Red on E and F
Dull rose red on E and F
Orange red only on F

The colors are all rated in order of rarity, and to give you an example: pink is "7" out of "10" (lavender pink and carmine pink are also both "7"), pigeon blood pink is a "9", and rose pink (along with salmon rose pink and deep rose pink) are "4".

Of the non-experimental grills E and F (88 and 94), the toughest color is to find a dull rose on an F grill (94a), which is a "7"-- as rare as a pink #64. Almost all of the 94's are dark with browns and reds.

#88a, lake red is a "6", and I bought one of these from Mike McClung and I've attached it if anyone would like to see the color.



Hope this helps-- Ray

The color on your 88 would snap a little better on a black background.

Although I believe these three to all be Scott #65's, I'm having a hard time identifying the color variants. Would anyone care to help identify the colors shown ... based on the color guide scanned earlier in this thread, I'm guessing Carmine Rose, Pink, Pale Brown Red ... am I close?

WOW........ Have you had that first one expertized?
Looks like a "lake" to me......

The perfs are scruffy also, and that's really normal on the "lake".

The 2nd one isn't pink. I have a few that are the same as the 3rd one, and it might be pastel rose? I'll post one in a few minutes.

That first stamp is really intriguing to me.....I would really suggest sending it in.... for an ID only from Weiss, it would only cost you $5

Thanks, Ray

597596-- I agree, but it's on an orange cover.

I just bought a new Epson Perfection v500 scanner a couple of weeks ago, but the colors aren't correct yet. I need to tinker a bit.

I did get back 2 64b certs today-- one I was hoping for that I bought as a 65 on cover (below), and one I bought cheaply as a 64 that I didn't think was 64 at all, but maybe 64b. Both turned out as 64b.

Weiss stated that this was Dark Rose Pink 64b:



When I can calibrate the colors to be more accurate, I'll post a few 65's that I've bought from Mike McClung to show the colors.

Thanks, Ray

A few 65's from my collection.

#1




#2




#3

Here's some nice history on that patriotic cover ray.mac posted. According to this history, there was a Lieutenant Andrew T. McMillan assigned to this unit. Possibly Corporal A.T. McMillan was later promoted (?) ... anyway, the rest of it is self explanatory and quite interesting:

http://www.batterycrilightartillery...history.html