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US U424 Entire.. Interesting Overprint..

 
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Posted 08/03/2012   6:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add stampvirgin to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
This is the first time I have ever seen this on an early envelope.



Here is the entire cover.

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Posted 08/03/2012   6:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampvirgin to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The over print is complete, I just didn't scan all of it.
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Posted 08/03/2012   6:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jamesw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
neat. what does the entire inscription say?
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Posted 08/03/2012   6:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 597596 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That's a great cover I've never seen anything like it. Can you post a scan of the entire cover?
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Posted 08/03/2012   6:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add smauggie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It's a "Penalty Cover". The overprint means it is to be used only for official (US Government) use.

There is a catalog for these, and it is a collecting niche in US Postal Statinery.
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Posted 08/03/2012   6:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampvirgin to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
smauggie, thanks. I knew it was a penalty cover, just didn't know they used them back in 1916.
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Posted 08/03/2012   6:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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There is a catalog for these

I didn't realize there was a cover for Penalty Mail. What is the name of the catalog?
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Posted 08/03/2012   6:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I believe Penalty Mail covers were first required around 1879? I haven't verified that.

Here is an example from 1888, scan pilfered from a buddy of mine.

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Posted 08/03/2012   6:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add doug2222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
True "penalty envelopes" date from July 1884, when Departmental Officials were phased out. Governmental postal stationery (with various warnings and slogans) similar to penalty envelopes were used as early as the Civil War.
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Posted 08/03/2012   6:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add doug2222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, khj, a very fine example of an early Penalty Envelope, with fancy fonts and considerable excess verbiage LOL.
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Posted 08/03/2012   7:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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and considerable excess verbiage LOL



Uh, wait. Were you referring to the cover, or me?

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Posted 08/03/2012   7:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add smauggie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I didn't realize there was a cover for Penalty Mail. What is the name of the catalog?



I have an album full of pentaly penalty covers with catalog numbers on them, so I assume there is a catalog. If I had to guess it would have been put out by the UPSS.

http://www.upss.org/
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Posted 08/05/2012   09:52 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ThomasGalloway to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The envelope in the OP is usually referred to as a "penalty overprinted" stamped envelope. Those envelopes with a penalty clause but not overprinted on a piece of stationery orignally produced for public use, are referred to a "penalty mail", as having a "penalty imprint", "official mail", etc.

The original catalog for penalty overprinted envelopes was done in 1934 by David H. Burr. He established the system of identifying the overprint "Type" and the return address "Variety". The cover in the OP is Type XIa. No return address variety.

In 1983 Leroy L. Ross published a major update to Burr's work, titled "Penalty Overprinted United States Stamped Envelopes", which was sold by the UPSS and several dealers. He followed that with another update witin a year or two.

In 1993 Ross, Thomas Galloway, and Cary Finder created a new edition, but is was not published due to financial constraints of the UPSS (at that time).

There is now a project underway, lead by Bob Derrick, to revive that 1993 work and publish a new version of the catalog. The UPSS hopes to publish it in the near future.

It's an interesting field. New finds keep popping up.
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Posted 08/05/2012   10:00 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ThomasGalloway to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Also, I would say the envelope in the OP is a U420.
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