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Alot Of Old Covers 1800's And Early 1900

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Posted 09/29/2012   7:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add UFOAirMail to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Here we go guys,quite a few here and I hope I am allowed to post them all,if not my appologies,but I want you all to see these and please tell me your opinion here on these,,rare or maybe not that rare?What are those stamps called guys that are actually part of the envelope itself? Are these collectible at all like that or are stamps that are glued on backs only the good collectible type?
Here we go and I hope you all enjoy looking at these..I hope...



































































































I am new to this guys so if I am doing something wrong or anything here please let me know ok,,hoping to get a little bit of insight on what I might or might not have here with all of these..thank you all so very much for your help,
Dave
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Posted 09/29/2012   9:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add UFOAirMail to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Can somebody please tell me what color the CITY FUEL OIL and COAL CO. envelope is..I researched this as a die 7 manilla..am I correct?
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Posted 09/29/2012   9:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add doug2222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting group of covers in the $1 to $5 range, did not see anything over that amount; the browning and overall grubby condition will hurt the valuations. Not often you see the 2c Pan-American on an airmail cover (!) but it is a philatelic concoction. Any foreign covers?
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Posted 09/29/2012   9:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add UFOAirMail to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I know its a Carmine U93 ,,Die 7,,but now what the heck color paper is it on,is it manilla,oriental brown,glazed brown or unglazed brown..now in scott catalog for a carmine manilla entire die 7,its showing the value at $25,000...what does entire mean ??
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Posted 09/29/2012   9:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add UFOAirMail to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have a BOX plumb full of foreign covers,but they are not on entire envelopes..they are cut off the envelopes I guess to save space for storage I hear,,all have stamps and postmarks..wanna see them?? I have a ton of these
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Posted 09/29/2012   9:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add new12collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Entire is the entire envelope- the first value given is usually for a cut square (a little piece of paper with only the franking thing- please do not do this- people collect the entire envelope but not cut squares as much these days)

I would put it as one of the whites, myself. It does not look brown or manilla to me... (I assume you are talking about the lovely city gas and fuel advert cover...)

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Posted 09/29/2012   9:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add new12collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:

I rather like the catchet on this one...
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Posted 09/29/2012   11:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add UFOAirMail to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
New12 thank you so much and if you or anyone else is interested I will be wanting to sell these off on here asap..soooo darn much more to get through and scan/document
You liked the one above with contents in it..like I said quite a few have contents in them and looks like they may have never been open,,can see contents when held close to light
Please clarify this again for me~ You say the first price on left side in catalog is for cut outs(USED)??? I thaught the first column is for unused price and 2nd price column is for used?? Does this not apply for this type of stamp??
How the heck do you value entire envelopes then,,I dont see this in catalog anywhere except for that one there where it said entire
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Posted 09/29/2012   11:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add UFOAirMail to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Also what do you guys think about the Star cancell on that 2cent green?
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Posted 09/29/2012   11:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add UFOAirMail to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
New12 you say this~ I would put it as one of the whites, myself. It does not look brown or manilla to me... (I assume you are talking about the lovely city gas and fuel advert cover...)
In the catalog white is not an option.. it lists as follows
Carmine
Carmine Amber
Carmine Oriental Buff
Carmine Blue
Carmine Manilla
Carmine Glazed Brown
Carmine UnGlazed Brown
So now what color is that dang thing if whit eisnt an option here?
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Posted 09/30/2012   02:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kehess to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This recent link might help you with the colors.

https://goscf.com/t/27102&SearchTerms=manilla

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Posted 09/30/2012   02:11 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add doug2222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
"White" is the first one in your list. In the absence of any specified color, "...Carmine...," it is assumed to be white paper for the envelope.

It is all the more difficult to assign colors to this group due to the foxing and browning of the envelopes themselves.
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Posted 09/30/2012   02:23 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add UFOAirMail to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks so much everyone!
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Posted 09/30/2012   02:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The third cover you scanned with a Green Bay, Wisconsin postmark dated 07/07/1934 is a First Day Cover for the Wisconsin Statehood stamp. Surprisingly only 130,000 of the Scott #739 with a first day postmark was processed at Green Bay, Wisconsin, yet the current catalog value is only $1.10.

It just goes to show that "old" doesn't necessarily mean it's "valuable".
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Posted 09/30/2012   02:39 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
As to the fifth cover scanned, as addressed to Merritt B. Teasdale of the Masonic Lodge #258 in 1907, here's a brief bio:


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Merritt Brown Teasdale (1830-1909) was born in New York, USA in Nov 1830 to James Cutterback Teasdale and Rebecca Fritts. Merritt Brown Teasdale married Dorcus Lawrence and had 2 children. He passed away on 3 Jan 1909 and is buried in Conneautville Cemetery in Conneautville, Crawford, Pennsylvania, USA.
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Posted 09/30/2012   05:00 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add UFOAirMail to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wt1 ~ Thank you sooo very much..I am starting to see that holds very true,,old doesnt always mean its valuable or more valuable..sooo much to this stuff but boy its really got hold of me now..every single stamp ya look at tells a story and has a history it seems..just incredible..I have always loved history and this is right up my alley that's for sure!Its also like treasure hunting and I sure do love that as well!
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Edited by UFOAirMail - 09/30/2012 05:01 am
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