3c Washington Shade And Flaw Help

Thanks bill, a lot easier for me to understand than reading the countless often confusing books I have,especially regarding the shades

I understand your frustration. These shades varieties are in most countries. If you have a broad collection of worldwide then it only gets worse. After buying many different reference books you then have to send them out for an opinion.

1847Bill has pointed you in great directions. Unfortunatly some of the reference material cost a small fortune. Colors and shades are challenging and exciting but in all reality you need certified examples in hand to compare. Your example on cover with the kiss error would be a great one to send to Weiss for a cert ($25) I am sure he will give color as well as state the slip/kiss which will be well worth the $25. Also mentioned was dating items to assist in colors- for example the high dollar pinks of this series were only done in 1861 for a short time frame and were also generally speaking in a few areas.
Best advice is slow and steady wins the race- take your time and enjoy. Also if you use the search function and type in pinks or scott 64 or other related searches there are many posts from here that have great examples and knowledge.

Can't believe I'm doing this on vacation in Los Cabos.
Yes, Nitro, I'm salivating over the mis-print!
The stamp is not pink and I don't have my reference with me but some type of rosé from early 1862.

Bill Weiss is one of the best and will expertize on whether its pink or not, but Bill isn't one of the 3c 1861 shade experts. And the two I know of-- Mike McClung and Jack Daley don't expertize the shades. AND, there isn't a reference available showing the shades, except the pinks which is in the summer edition of The Chronicle from USPCS. If you look at some of my last posts, you'll find a link to a pink that Jack had for sale and then if you go to his other items for sale, he lists on ebay, a lot of the shades.

So, good luck and as was stated earlier in this topic, the only way to collect the shades is to find the list by date and find lots and lots of year/month dated covers and some are identifiable. I all listed several images in a couple of other posts that are available on SCF.

Thanks and again good luck-- Ray

thanks again for all the information,its a great help,ive sent the cover off to Bill Weiss so will update as soon as I get a response...or I find something else

Quick update:

recieved the cover back from Bill weiss this morning,

verdict reads,
#65 lt Rose
Inking Variety at "3" ul
Either excess ink or Plate bruise

not a kiss print or a double print,

this stamp appears a lot brighter in light,on cover dated feb 1/62
any idea as to shade? thanks

Jony-- the Feb 62 stamp has a chance to be rose pink, #64B, but the problem is that you can't ever tell from an image on a computer screen. Looks like salmon rose or salmon rose pink. If you look back at some of my old posts, I've listed some of the known shades, and I did post both salmon pink and salmon rose pink.

Bottom line is that you'll never know for sure unless you send it for a cert. Really good chance that this one has some pink......

Good luck- Ray

Thanks ray,

Are there any known sort of hotspots for the early pink shades to have originated?
ive read on TST that many pigeon bloods have portland me double ring cancel,
but I've also seen 2 from conneticut,1 40 miles down the road from this,a month earlier

Another query I have is that TST lists pink as 100,000 copies,would that be the issue amount and is that a large amount compared to number of post offices? meaning would they would be spread far and wide

i will send it off for proper id,i totally agree that the scan isnt a true representation,but the signs are encouraging,

Have now received this cover back from Bill Weiss,and he identified it as genuine 64b rose pink

Congrats Jony--
Here's an image of my "salmon rose pink", which is still 64b.


I thought yours looked like it had a "salmon" shade.
Here are a couple others I have certed that are plain "rose pink":



Big difference-- take a look at yours and let us know if it's on the salmon side....

Nice stamp of yours, and enjoy!

Ray

hi ray,
to be honest my scan looks nothing like what I have in front of me,its a lot lighter and a strong pink?
ive got a perkins and bacon shade guide and salmon/pink seems darker than mine,could be wrong