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Posted 12/24/2012   2:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add jony78 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
hi,
do errors regarding circular date cancels have any added value
ive found a couple of covers with inverted date slugs and letters
thanks
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Posted 12/24/2012   4:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
No extra value. Collectible as oddities, though. The real collectibles here would be a wrong date, as in a postmark with a month or year that predates the cancelled stamp.
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Posted 12/24/2012   7:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add scotzm to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
As wt1 said there may not be extra value but they are certainly collectable...especially older ones. I have these Victorian examples postmarked Glasgow which have "varieties" such as the reversed 'E' and an inverted '2'. Please feel free to post any of your examples.

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Posted 12/25/2012   04:10 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jony78 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
i have a couple similar,ill post some scans,
ive found a cover online that I find interesting,

there are two cds cancels,the covers dated 1909 around 2 weeks after the stamps first day,
the first cds applied clearly dates 1908,no mention of it by the seller but close enough look at it and its clear to see,the other cds dates a year and two days later?
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Posted 12/26/2012   10:58 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add scotzm to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Without seeing a scan I have to think it could be that the first postmark is the date posted and the second is an arrival mark. It is common to see '8' mistaken for '9' on some covers if is is worn or not firmly applied. A two day difference would indicate that one is the arrival mark.
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Posted 12/26/2012   11:09 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jony78 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

the cover in question I noticed on ebay
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Posted 12/26/2012   11:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jony78 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
hopefully better image

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Posted 12/26/2012   1:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add scotzm to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It would be interesting to see the stamp cancellation too. I can see two "REGISTERED" marks...one Chicago and one Hanover dated 10th and 12th May on the cover. Could well be a mistake in the year of one of them. Shouldn't think it would add any particular value to the cover though but opinions may differ.
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Posted 12/26/2012   1:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jony78 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


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Posted 03/16/2014   4:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Classic Coins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a #11 on cover mailed from Malden, Massachusetts in 1857. The postal clerk forgot to insert the date slugs! I think I've heard this called a mute cancel. Must have been his first hand stamp of the day.

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Posted 03/16/2014   4:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here's some interesting genealogical information on the addressee of that Malden, Mass. postmarked cover, as addressed to Juliet F. Sumner of Foxboro, Mass.:



I know some 19th century names are weird in comparison to the present day, but I can't say I've ever heard of a woman named "Experience", who was apparently the wife of Henry H. Sumner and the mother of Juliet F. Sumner, who was born on May 7, 1837, making her about 20 years old at the time the cover was mailed.
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Posted 03/16/2014   4:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Classic Coins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
wt1,

Thanks for the genealogical information on the Malden cover. This will add interest to my collection, and I'll add this to my postal history records.
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Posted 03/16/2014   5:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Classic Coins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here's a CDS on a #11a with only the day slug inserted upside down. The result: a Jun 91 Montpelier Vermont cancel!

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Posted 03/17/2014   04:39 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
And of course, I have that stampless cover with the NOV. inverted, so it can happen but no premium attached.
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Posted 03/31/2014   10:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Classic Coins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Another "mute cancel" error cover - missing the month and date - Brockton Massachusetts advertising cover; W. L. Douglas Shoes:

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Posted 03/31/2014   10:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add smauggie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Technically it is not missing the date as mute cancels were used for third class bulk mail (hence the 1c rate).

I might add that one of the reasons why mute cancels were used is because as third class mail nobody had the right to expect the item to arrive within a given time frame (which was the expectation with first class mail and later air mail).
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