13x15 Grill? (Subject Edited)

Note that this grill is not an H grill on a banknote. It has 15 vertical points as a #88 or #94 would. But it doesn't take much effort to see that it has 13 columns of horizontal points. Only part of the 13th column of points on the right is clear but it is definitely there. The norm for an F grill is 11-12 points and 14 for an E grill. I suppose it might be an 88 with an extremely weak or non existent 14th column of points. Is there a grill variety of 13x15 points for either the E or F grill? I'm not aware of one but would like to know if there is such a variety.

QUIGNGT....I count 14x16 grill points...E GRILL.
Thus #88

It appears to be a "E" Grill (14x16 points), Scott #88.

I also count 14x16; counted several times to be sure.

Looks like I need a bit more education here. Are the ridges between points? That has been my assumption for some time now. By everyone's comments, it appears I have assumed wrong. If the ridges and points are the same thing, the mm measurements would then seem not to include the slope from the ridge to the bottom of the pyramid (which is topped by the ridge). If I seem to be confused or self contradictory, it would be most likely because I am.

quigngt@ There is no point to argue with these guys, they casted their opinion and usually in 90% it is correct. At first glance yesterday I counted points and for me same its looks E- Grill.
With grill you always have to take a deep breath and keep calm.

My best regards

@quigngt Just count from point to point. I'm not sure what "ridges" you are referring to, but most discussions on grill ridges are referring to the shape of the points themselves, some of which have a short ridge that aligns vertically on the stamps (as in this case).

Here is a good diagram of the "Ridges" of the Grills.

http://www.jamesdire.net/grill.html

*Edit* just noticed I passed the 3000 post mark..... Rod222, I'm right on your heels now !

As I now reconsider all I thought I knew about grills, this is what I learn. I've known exactly what a ridge is for several years but my mistaken assumption was that points and ridges referred to the same feature. I think I may not have been consistent over the years with this assumption so at my age I can blame it on dementia. Anyways, herein lies my current mistake: ridges are on the highest "point" of each grill pyramid so, voila, my mistake in the number of points in this post. I see now that the points are located at the four lower corners of each pyramid. So, at least for most cases, I assume (here I go again), there will be one additional count for points when compared to the number of ridges. Thanks to all for getting me back on track.

stallzer@ Me to I am almost on your heels, just 2903 posts to catch up.

Just to clarify, the term "ridge" refers to the top of the point; therefore, the number of "ridges" is equal to the number of "points." In essence, "pyramid" and "point" are the same feature.

Here is a clipping from the site that Stallzer provided. I've highlighted the "points" (pyramids) in red squares and the "ridges" of those points are in blue rectangles.

Thanks tomiseksj for your clarification; every bit of info helps. My comment about one additional point more than the number of ridges would refer to a 14 horizontal point grill has 14 vertical columns of points (mine in this post) will have only 13 columns of vertical ridges (and pyramids) ; hence my original mistaken ID of a 13x15 grill. Or more simply said: a 14x16 grill has 13x15 ridges.

How do you figure that quigngt? What makes the counts differ? They should be the same.

Ah, I think I get it. You are counting 1 ridge per point, but 2 edges per point which overlap. So you are counting the lines of "furrows" between the ridges, which are at the edges of the points. That will not give you the point count the catalog is referencing.

Do I understand you correctly?

A ridge is at the peak of each point/pyramid; therefore, a 14x16 grill will have 14 columns of points/pyramids/ridges and 16 rows of points/pyramids/ridges.

Could not possibly be a "z" grill because the experimental grills are only found in light rose. So if it's red in any way it cannot be any of A B C D or Z.

Im not at home right now so I dont have a list of grill shades for the E grill but ill look later to see if I have this shade. And ill post a few of them.

Hope this helps, Ray

Could not possibly be a "z" grill because the experimental grills are only found in light rose. So if it's red in any way it cannot be any of A B C D or Z.

Im not at home right now so I dont have a list of grill shades for the E grill but ill look later to see if I have this shade. And ill post a few of them.

Hope this helps, Ray