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What Is Going On With This 65? I Think A 65 That Is...

 
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Posted 09/05/2013   9:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add sirruspoe to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello all,

I've been around, but have not posted in a while. I got this little one today and I am having some issues with it in numerous ways.

First off, it is perf 12 on top and bottom. I believe it should be a stamp from the edge of the sheet because of the wide margin on the left side. Now to the strangeness: there are no coil stamps that I can find for the 65, or any of the other numbers related to this design. The only imperf pairs that I have been able to locate are all horizontal, not vertical. (and yes I know this is so highly unlikely that it probably does not even need to be mentioned, but I did) The right margin looks good to me in all ways, even the ink from the cancel is present on the side of the stamp.

So, I either have a fake cancel and a fake stamp, or there is some wierd things going on with a "real" stamp. I would think as poorly as the are usually centered it would be hard to cut away the perfs from the right side without getting close, if not into, the design. And why in the heck would anyone fake a stamp that does not exist? And 65's are cheap to begin with...so...

I leave it up to the experts to help me with this odd ball stamp...and yes there are two creases in the stamp. They do not appear to be repairs of any kind as the cancel and design are unaltered through the creases. And again, why would anyone even think about doing such a thing???

Anyway, all information and guesses are welcomed. Thanks in advance.






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Posted 09/05/2013   9:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Looks to be a straddle pane copy.
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Posted 09/05/2013   9:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sirruspoe to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Oh boy, I'm learning here. What is a straddle pane? I will go look this up as I have not heard the term before. Is it something like a gutter on a gutter pair?

Ok done a little quick reading: seems to be a messed up cut of adjoining sheets?
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Edited by sirruspoe - 09/05/2013 9:38 pm
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Posted 09/05/2013   9:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Or it could be margin on left and mis-aligned perf on right
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Posted 09/05/2013   11:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add essayk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
M Jack Reinhard did a study several years ago, in a little Journal called Strictly U.S., in which he discusses the various plate positions and their perforation settings for the stamps produced in the 19th century by the Bank Note companies. All three, including National tended to set the perforators for a bit of extra margin width at the margins of the plate. This is what gives rise to the various types of "jumbo" stamps. If, as was suggested you have a center margin "straddle" then in this case the perfs were set in such a way as to give a bit more margin on the right than usual. For the center gutter on the left side of your stamp there were no perforations, since that is where they cut the panes apart producing a natural straight edge. Sometimes that cut got a little wider than normal. If the original user of your stamp had used scissors to quickly separate the stamps in the pane, then it would have been easy for the right perfs to have been shorn off. Consider this example from what may be the same plate position as your stamp, but on a later issue.



In this case they took off ALL the perfs from what would have been a super jumbo. We may never know the real factors that went into the disappearance of the right perfs on your stamp, but in at least one scenario it may have been done entirely on the up and up, without any fraud involved at all. If the final stamp is at or near normal width, then enjoy the unusual combo. But this isn't about coils, part perfs, or what not.

BTW to qualify as a true straddle pane copy the stamp should have part of the design of an adjacent cross gutter stamp, or an arrow at top or bottom. I don't see an adjacent design, but I think I see a mark that could be a bottom arrow on left. It is too indistinct to be sure. If there is an arrow point there, pointing up, then it is a position N straddle pane stamp, the same as on my cover.
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Edited by essayk - 09/05/2013 11:31 pm
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Posted 09/06/2013   08:57 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kevin504 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with essayk.....
looks to be a common #65, trimmed on vertical sides, w/creases.

essayk....actually had a conversation with Mr Jack a few days ago.
I was walking into the post office and he was coming out.
He had the last "brick/mortar" stamp store in the NO area. It has not reopened
since it flooded during Katrina.
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Posted 09/06/2013   09:03 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sirruspoe to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks all,

I thought it was a 65, just had never come across one like this. Now I have learned something new along the way and have more to read up on. Essayk thanks for all the information and going into details that helps a lot for someone learning the details of the stamping world. And I don't have another one like this so I have a new addition to the collection. And nice cover as well.

Sirrus
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Posted 09/06/2013   09:10 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kevin504 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sirrus....actually you dont want another like this.
The stamp is damaged....you can trim 2 sides and make more....
not recommended.
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Posted 09/16/2013   04:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe a #65 with 1 natural straight edge and one trimmed. It was common for Postmasters to use scissors to separate the stamps from the sheet.
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